Will you go ALL IN with pocket 10s from UTG if you will have 10-15bb?

[dannystanks]

So if we don’t push with TTs UTG at 10BBs, what are we pushing with? Is JJ ok? QQ? If you are only doing this with AA and KK and nothing else, you will only get this opportunity like 2% of the time. Folding like 98% of the time. We can’t maximize anything if we are not at least in the fight. Plus if someone is paying attention to how you are playing, like a super tight Nit, then they just get to play perfectly against you because they know you have no bluffs here.
So as bad as this situation is, 10BBs left and still trying to win the tournament, we have to have some other hands besides the obvious AA and KKs here.
People that are going to call us won’t always beat us. We are still playing hands in this spot UTG with great potential in case we get called.

 

[dorsk]

With only 10BB I would definitively push with TT. Under these circumstances it is a premimium hand.

 

[thetick33]

1.If YES, please explain why
2. If NO, please explain why

Just find myself losing already few times with this hand when I go all in preflop. I mean I'm very short but usually after you so many people when you on UTG and they may call with KQ QJ JJ+ AK A5s+ A10o+. I think most lessons I saw that it's fine to go all in in this spot when you are short even with 77.

But I don't know. I don't se it prfitable.

WWhat is your opinion?

1010 has won me more tournaments then any other starter....big tournaments 88 is 2nd.....I dont shove i do pattern betting i guess so would raise etc...if someone shoves im calling....I try not to shove....at times will to mix up but its my last thing I believe personally in doing....now if is big bet in front that makes sense to shove...but say its just the blinds? I never got why people shove at that point....Either you got the goods aa or your risking your whole tournament etc....the only way you lose a tournament is when you go all in

 

[Goggelheimer]

You

1.If YES, please explain why
2. If NO, please explain why

Just find myself losing already few times with this hand when I go all in preflop. I mean I'm very short but usually after you so many people when you on UTG and they may call with KQ QJ JJ+ AK A5s+ A10o+. I think most lessons I saw that it's fine to go all in in this spot when you are short even with 77.

But I don't know. I don't se it prfitable.

WWhat is your opinion?

Yes TT UTG with 10 - 15 BB is a shove.

You have to see this and the push charts more over the long run.
You will loose here and there such a shove with TT (but also with AA, or any other pair in this position).
If you are able to play 1 Million tournaments you will see that statistically TT prints money in these situations.

It is all about the long run.

The other thing is you get your pair in with a bit of fold equity and every AX hand has to hit, you have a made hand with TT.

 

[infonazar]

Yes.
There are many nuances that always need to be taken into account, but in general, I would be ready to go all-in with TT.
Why? ..... because I've been playing this way for over 13 years

 

[PoorGypsy]

So if we don’t push with TTs UTG at 10BBs, what are we pushing with? Is JJ ok? QQ? If you are only doing this with AA and KK and nothing else, you will only get this opportunity like 2% of the time. Folding like 98% of the time. We can’t maximize anything if we are not at least in the fight. Plus if someone is paying attention to how you are playing, like a super tight Nit, then they just get to play perfectly against you because they know you have no bluffs here.
So as bad as this situation is, 10BBs left and still trying to win the tournament, we have to have some other hands besides the obvious AA and KKs here.
People that are going to call us won’t always beat us. We are still playing hands in this spot UTG with great potential in case we get called.

What would you say about A10o all in with 15bb from UTG+1?

 

[PoorGypsy]

1010 has won me more tournaments then any other starter....big tournaments 88 is 2nd.....I dont shove i do pattern betting i guess so would raise etc...if someone shoves im calling....I try not to shove....at times will to mix up but its my last thing I believe personally in doing....now if is big bet in front that makes sense to shove...but say its just the blinds? I never got why people shove at that point....Either you got the goods aa or your risking your whole tournament etc....the only way you lose a tournament is when you go all in

What is this "pattern betting?)

 

[PoorGypsy]

1010 has won me more tournaments then any other starter....big tournaments 88 is 2nd.....I dont shove i do pattern betting i guess so would raise etc...if someone shoves im calling....I try not to shove....at times will to mix up but its my last thing I believe personally in doing....now if is big bet in front that makes sense to shove...but say its just the blinds? I never got why people shove at that point....Either you got the goods aa or your risking your whole tournament etc....the only way you lose a tournament is when you go all in

okay I got you. about betting and other. Yeas all in is alway reason why you out of tournament. you are right. but without them it's also hard to win.

 

[PoorGypsy]

You

Yes TT UTG with 10 - 15 BB is a shove.

You have to see this and the push charts more over the long run.
You will loose here and there such a shove with TT (but also with AA, or any other pair in this position).
If you are able to play 1 Million tournaments you will see that statistically TT prints money in these situations.

It is all about the long run.

The other thing is you get your pair in with a bit of fold equity and every AX hand has to hit, you have a made hand with TT.

Today pushed A10of from the UTG+1 because had 15bb and got called by KK. Iguess you know who won)

 

[ancakeul]

I play all in , it's how that software holds you, sometimes it's with you, sometimes it's against you, I want to win the tournament, if I'm afraid to play old hands, I can't win the tournament.

 

[Goggelheimer]

Today pushed A10of from the UTG+1 because had 15bb and got called by KK. Iguess you know who won)

Don´t compare apples with pears.
AT is not TT.

 

[PoorGypsy]

Don´t compare apples with pears.
AT is not TT.

yeah, you are right))

 

[WrongUsername]

Yes all about math no need for explanation.

 

[dannystanks]

What would you say about A10o all in with 15bb from UTG+1?

This is a decision with ATo. It’s going to depend on all the usual factors, just like TT.
The thing is, studying the push fold charts is important to know, but we can’t just use it blindly. We still have to consider all of the factors involved in making the right decision.
I use the charts as guides. Then consider the player types. Stack sizes. ICM, etc.

 

[antonis32123]

I don't know exactly. I am not good at shove fold decisions , at least online . So many fixed action cards , you could lose with anything . Decisions that might be right or profitable on ghd long run on live poker , online is not guaranteed , all cards and hands can be cracked or lose , many bad beats . I see many times clown players shoving 55s UTG. in 9 max tables with 100 blinds and win lol .

 

[TeUnit]

In a traditional 9 man, with TT, UTG, you wouldnt want to shove 15bbs but you should shove 10bbs.

The format of the tourney and the icm will change the answer to the question.

 

[SPANKYSN]

I would shove either way 10 - 15 BB. What's the alternative...watch your stack get reduced to the point where you HAVE to shove with 7,2 os?

 

[dallam]

No need to do tricks, unless the circumstances are so specific. But almost all the time, it's not the case. 10-10 is a green flag to shove from any position from any time with 10 / 15bbs. With these stack sizes, the aim almost always to double-up, at least picking up supporting blinds.

 

[Gilead]

Shoving 77 from UTG with a short stack (under 10BB) is usually correct because you need to take risks and still have decent equity. However, if many loose players are behind you and calling with hands like KQ, QJ, ATo+, A5s+, your fold equity drops, making it less profitable. If you have 12-15BB, shoving is more borderline, and a tight fold or min-raise could be considered.

 

[tuanssgss1231]

i would shove any pair

 

[kaynbergo]

if not up to the prizes themselves, then yes, with this stack I'll go to 99, and if the stack is less than 10bb, I'll go to 88 and 77

 

[PoorGypsy]

i would shove any pair

what about 22?

 

[PoorGypsy]

Shoving 77 from UTG with a short stack (under 10BB) is usually correct because you need to take risks and still have decent equity. However, if many loose players are behind you and calling with hands like KQ, QJ, ATo+, A5s+, your fold equity drops, making it less profitable. If you have 12-15BB, shoving is more borderline, and a tight fold or min-raise could be considered.

actually I made this post when I got called by KQ suited and Q on river killed me. It was big blind. So you think it was loose call from him with KQ?