Will you go ALL IN with pocket 10s from UTG if you will have 10-15bb?

[PoorGypsy]

1.If YES, please explain why
2. If NO, please explain why

Just find myself losing already few times with this hand when I go all in preflop. I mean I'm very short but usually after you so many people when you on UTG and they may call with KQ QJ JJ+ AK A5s+ A10o+. I think most lessons I saw that it's fine to go all in in this spot when you are short even with 77.

But I don't know. I don't se it prfitable.

WWhat is your opinion?

 

[Tero]

YES
Because with 10-15bbs you still have some fold equity. You don't wan't to limp and let your opponents get there.
Sure, big stacks and maniacs might call but such is poker.

Because what's the alternative? CO raises pre-flop to 4bbs and you fold, OR you call and see A on the flop and fold to re-raise?

 

[PoorGypsy]

YES
Because with 10-15bbs you still have some fold equity. You don't wan't to limp and let your opponents get there.
Sure, big stacks and maniacs might call but such is poker.

Because what's the alternative? CO raises pre-flop to 4bbs and you fold, OR you call and see A on the flop and fold to re-raise?

I saw a guy who made quite a wierd strategy. he had also around 15 bb. before him was one limper and he made a rase 3bb. one more person calls, and limoer calls. flop comes 944 to cards are spade. he puts all in. one more player calls. another player after 1 minute thinking shoves and makes other player who just call go all in. so 3 people in all in on the flop. the original short stack raiser show us pocket 10s one caller show us J9 and another one A5 of spade. Turn card another 4. River didn't change anything spade did'nt came. so 10's tripled his stack and now has 45bb. if he would shove preflop maybe A5 would call. maybe not. So it was prety smart move. Don't ypou think?

 

[Tero]

He was lucky at least. Inducing a three way pot makes it more dangerous.

 

[MK_]

I think the way this question is phrased is the problem..., there's a big difference between 10 and 15bbs,

at 10bbs yes you shove the tens, at 15 you can make a case for small pot poker but yes nice flop for tens👍

 

[Bhargav]

I cannot simple say Allin or fold, because it depends on the situation. Based on your position in the tourney, stage of the tournament call has to be taken. Regarding fold equity, you can raise 3 or 4 bb to make others fold instead of Allin. If you can post already played hands, we can discuss in more detail.

 

[pentazepam]

Just get some charts. You have to adapt to tight or loose players when you call an all-in, of course. And if the tables are too tight, you can push wider than GTO. But if you open push-by charts from UTG, you can't be much off. If it's not some satellite MTT or some bubble situation with a super flat structure and some players are VERY short-stacked, TT is a MONSTER.

10BB:



15BB:



Around 20BB it's more often a mini-raise:

 

[MK_]

....here's a video that explains the dif between 10 and 15 bb strategy,

gto allows for different play at 15bbs, but yes at 10bbs it's a straight shove,

which you will lose sometimes for sure but at 10bbs it's your best option👍

 

[burba]

Yes, with 10-15BB from UTG, pocket 10s (TT) is generally a profitable all-in in most tournament structures.
With higher stackes you should consider a raise to be able to fold if a tight player shoves.

 

[Leandro6803]

It depends on the villains' stack, if they have a stack similar to mine of 10 to 15 bb I'll open raise, if they have more you'll stay I'll go all in.

 

[mrfastflow]

Most times i go all in, most flops not be good for 10s

 

[R.Holynskyi]

1.If YES, please explain why
2. If NO, please explain why

Just find myself losing already few times with this hand when I go all in preflop. I mean I'm very short but usually after you so many people when you on UTG and they may call with KQ QJ JJ+ AK A5s+ A10o+. I think most lessons I saw that it's fine to go all in in this spot when you are short even with 77.

But I don't know. I don't se it prfitable.

WWhat is your opinion?

Of course, it all depends on what kind of tournament we're talking about, at what stage, what format, and so on, but in most cases, about 90% of the time, I'll be ready to go all-in with this hand.

 

[PoorGypsy]

I cannot simple say Allin or fold, because it depends on the situation. Based on your position in the tourney, stage of the tournament call has to be taken. Regarding fold equity, you can raise 3 or 4 bb to make others fold instead of Allin. If you can post already played hands, we can discuss in more detail.

One situation:

I was UTG and I had 15bb I shoved and other player got AA on HJ so I was dead. It was actualy already in the money. I decide that it was wrong to shove 10s from UTG and I would better rase. But will I fold facing a shove from HJ? it depends.

Other situation: on live freeroll tournament I'm again UTG 10bb half an hour before addon. You still can rebuy. Starting stack was 5000 and I only one time double up then again felt to a starting stack. We are short table. only 4 people after me on the table. I shove 10s. Big blind calls with KQ suited and catches Q on the river.

 

[Bhargav]

first scenario if there are other players behind you:
raising to 3bb is fine. if everyone folds, you get blinds. if someone re-raises or allin you fold. you can save your stack for the next hand. Because you are ITM, you can jump 2 to 3 spots without playing a game. players behind you can be unlucky and can get knocked out.

if you are last and your previous rank guy has double than you:
you can raise 3bb and you can go allin or fold, its up to you.


second scenario :
there is rebuy option and its a freeroll you can risk and do what ever you can.

 

[PoorGypsy]

But if you open push-by charts from UTG, you can't be much off

Don't understand what did you mean "much off"?

 

[PoorGypsy]

....here's a video that explains the dif between 10 and 15 bb strategy,

gto allows for different play at 15bbs, but yes at 10bbs it's a straight shove,

which you will lose sometimes for sure but at 10bbs it's your best option👍

I'm so often got short that I realy need that video. Especially because I play freerolls and stacks there are not so big. Thank you.

 

[meagain00]

1.If YES, please explain why
2. If NO, please explain why

Just find myself losing already few times with this hand when I go all in preflop. I mean I'm very short but usually after you so many people when you on UTG and they may call with KQ QJ JJ+ AK A5s+ A10o+. I think most lessons I saw that it's fine to go all in in this spot when you are short even with 77.

But I don't know. I don't se it prfitable.

WWhat is your opinion?

Yes, all in if i'm very short comparing to the others.
No, if I have some playability. I'm able to handle a short stack for a while, even in hyper mtts. I can play <10bb with no problems.

Special consideration: it is bubble time or not? What's the buy in? For me, it have some importance.

Cheers.

meagain00

 

[PoorGypsy]

Just get some charts. You have to adapt to tight or loose players when you call an all-in, of course. And if the tables are too tight, you can push wider than GTO. But if you open push-by charts from UTG, you can't be much off. If it's not some satellite MTT or some bubble situation with a super flat structure and some players are VERY short-stacked, TT is a MONSTER.

10BB:

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15BB:

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Around 20BB it's more often a mini-raise:

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just now tried to push from UTG+1 Q10s acording to this chart and got busted by AK on HJ and BB with 99 I had 7,4 BB. they had 10bb and 9 bb. so again like with 10's I don't see it worth risking your tournament life from UTG and UTG+1 and when you in this spot better wait til other position

 

[besttest11]

shoving 77 as a short stack is a good play.

 

[PoorGypsy]

Yes, all in if i'm very short comparing to the others.
No, if I have some playability. I'm able to handle a short stack for a while, even in hyper mtts. I can play <10bb with no problems.

Special consideration: it is bubble time or not? What's the buy in? For me, it have some importance.

Cheers.

meagain00

Okay so what is the difference for you make nuy in?

And if it will be buble time and you will have 10bb you want shove 10's from UTG?

I'm today with 9bb shoved Q10s from UTG+1 just 300 people before the money. Whould you smth like this?

 

[gloria_marga]

Yes, you will rarely face more than one person. In addition, most players know that in that situation they only have two options (to retire or go all-in). I would do that too, since the BB would have to pay for that all-in with any A or pair of hands.
Most of the time you'll be faced with an AX, with a good chance of duplicating.

 

[dannystanks]

I play live poker tournaments, they are low limit buy ins so all of my poker study is with low limit 200 or so buy in tournaments.
I know it’s uncomfortable to raise all in with TT UTG at 10-15 BB, but it is a slam dunk profit maker. I’m not sure about online or at higher levels.
The reason it’s profitable is you are mostly going to get folds and when you do you get the blinds and the BB antee so your stack goes up 25% without a fight, without having to get lucky and suck out, without having to hold when better.
If we get called and loose, we only lost 10-15 BBs it’s not that much, it’s not like you just lost 200 BBs on this hand.
At 10 BBs you are in dire straits. You can’t afford to wait around. You also can’t afford to raise min and then fold. At 15 you can still do this but at 10 just push.
If you go out you go out it’s all part of the game and there is always next time.

 

[PoorGypsy]

Yes, you will rarely face more than one person. In addition, most players know that in that situation they only have two options (to retire or go all-in). I would do that too, since the BB would have to pay for that all-in with any A or pair of hands.
Most of the time you'll be faced with an AX, with a good chance of duplicating.

Actualy I know one more optuion with short stack is minrase or call and then go all in on river if it's in your favor.

 

[PoorGypsy]

I play live poker tournaments, they are low limit buy ins so all of my poker study is with low limit 200 or so buy in tournaments.
I know it’s uncomfortable to raise all in with TT UTG at 10-15 BB, but it is a slam dunk profit maker. I’m not sure about online or at higher levels.
The reason it’s profitable is you are mostly going to get folds and when you do you get the blinds and the BB antee so your stack goes up 25% without a fight, without having to get lucky and suck out, without having to hold when better.
If we get called and loose, we only lost 10-15 BBs it’s not that much, it’s not like you just lost 200 BBs on this hand.
At 10 BBs you are in dire straits. You can’t afford to wait around. You also can’t afford to raise min and then fold. At 15 you can still do this but at 10 just push.
If you go out you go out it’s all part of the game and there is always next time.

I also play live freerolls there you usualy get 50bb at start rarely one hundres so playing in short stack is manly what I do now and for me all this is important to know. Just find out myself on UTG very often beaten with higher cards after me when I have 10s. I accept part of the game. But want to maximize my ability to win)

 

[ztibor72]

Yes.
Most flops won't hit me so if I raise pre and cbet after the flop I'm already all-in, if I don't cbet then I fold, a better solution is to go all-in preflop at 10-15bb.