F Paulsson
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That's a weird looking coin, in that case.
KK is > 2:1 favorite over any A-x hand that isn't specifically AA.
KK is > 2:1 favorite over any A-x hand that isn't specifically AA.
Lana_Faith
Rock Star
Silver Level
That's a weird looking coin, in that case.
KK is > 2:1 favorite over any A-x hand that isn't specifically AA.
It IS a wierd looking coin because we're not facing one villain but two. Assuming both have at least one A, which I think is a fair assumption, the coin has three sides, and therefore this is NOT 2:1 odds...
F Paulsson
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No, in that case we're 4:1 (80%) to win, not 2:1 (67%), unless one of them has specifically AA.
Edit: Actually, no, we're still just about 2:1. I checked with PokerStove, and we've gone up from 67% to win to just above 70%.
Lana_Faith
Rock Star
Silver Level
Duh I just thought about what I said and of course you're right... in this specific case, any overcard would have to be the A, which means that with two A's in play, they're drawing semi-dead to one another.
I bow to your superior intellect, good sir knight.
However, I do think my base argument has some validity. I think many times players, even GOOD players will memorize statistics like you just quoted, but forget that the odds change, and sometimes drastically when faced with a three-way or more-way pot.
Anyhow, yes you're right and I'm wrong on this one.
I bow to your superior intellect, good sir knight.
However, I do think my base argument has some validity. I think many times players, even GOOD players will memorize statistics like you just quoted, but forget that the odds change, and sometimes drastically when faced with a three-way or more-way pot.
Anyhow, yes you're right and I'm wrong on this one.
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baystate123
Enthusiast
Silver Level
"Call" with a capital C. You're not a favorite to win against 2 others both comming over the top like that. But to reiterate, the money commands it. Personally, the only time I'd consider folding would be if I was right on the bubble and I do see at least 1 other player in the tourney that I had 2-1 in chips there. Even then I'd call 80% of the time.
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rivertapped
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Silver Level
You've got such a short stack I suppose you call. If you were a large stack and one of the others had you covered, maybe you could fold.
In this situation tho, call and hope to win the thing. I don't like folding here and trying to sneak into the money for a small cash.
In this situation tho, call and hope to win the thing. I don't like folding here and trying to sneak into the money for a small cash.
Welly
Visionary
Silver Level
It obviously goes without saying what you should do. However here is something more interesting to ponder...
A) Would you call if you knew the opponents both had AA ?
B) Would you call if 'Scan Rautli' had also entered the pot and you knew he had 22?
(NB take into account cash vs tournament play)
A) Would you call if you knew the opponents both had AA ?
B) Would you call if 'Scan Rautli' had also entered the pot and you knew he had 22?
(NB take into account cash vs tournament play)
Lana_Faith
Rock Star
Silver Level
Absolutely. At that point there's no chance for them to better their hand, whereas I have 5 cards coming, any one of which might be that killer third K.
F Paulsson
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