$20 NL HE MTT: 67s Paired board

[mariussica88]

Game

Hold'em

Game Format

No Limit

Table Format

MTT

Buy-in

20

Currency

$

Do you guys call here? If you do, what are you doing on the river?

This is what notes I have on this player:
- He rarely raises and has a hard time folding a hand when he hits the board
- After the flop when he has something strong he starts betting 1/3 pot

 

[Goggelheimer]

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Do you guys call here? If you do, what are you doing on the river?

This is what notes I have on this player:
- He rarely raises and has a hard time folding a hand when he hits the board
- After the flop when he has something strong he starts betting 1/3 pot

Too less info how the hand was played preflop and on the flop. Blind are missing etc.
A full hand history would be great.

But:
With your equity of 87,xx % this is not only a call.



The required Equity for this call would be:


You meet this needed equity more than perfectly.
This is without ICM view only pure chip value.
After these calulations,
I would have pushed here, not only a slow playing and weak looking call.
A double up is much appreciated.
Nearly 90 % equity is good enough for risking the stack.
Even if he has AA, KK, AK if he calls the AI he is a luck gambler hoping to hit his 2 outer.
Do you think AT, TT has the need to bet here on this flop?
These hands are so strong they are waiting for a bet from the IP player,
if it goes check/check on the turn they will shove the river.
What do you think what his bet tells you, does he bet for value or protection oop.

 

[eetenor]

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Do you guys call here? If you do, what are you doing on the river?

This is what notes I have on this player:
- He rarely raises and has a hard time folding a hand when he hits the board
- After the flop when he has something strong he starts betting 1/3 pot

if they bet value for 1/3 pot what do they bet pot with on this turn? What are they targeting for value with this size? What bluffs would they bet? What non full house hand would they bet for value? What do they do on river if we call? On the river what does a quick jam mean they have? What if they take their time to bet what do they have then?

By taking the time to answer these questions it will help you to increase your range reading skills for these difficult spots.

 

[mariussica88]

Thank you all for the feedback. This is the full hand history


GGPoker, Hold'em No Limit - 400/800 (100 ante) - 6 players
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UTG: 55,787 (70 bb)
MP: 43,374 (54 bb)
CO: 46,918 (59 bb)
BU (Hero): 24,142 (30 bb)
SB: 46,217 (58 bb)
BB: 121,259 (152 bb)

Pre-Flop: (1,800) Hero is BTN with 6♦ 7♦
3 players fold, Hero raises to 1,600, 1 fold, BB calls 800

Flop: (4,200) 7♠ 7♣ T♠ (2 players)
BB bets 1,386, Hero calls 1,386

Turn: (6,972) T♦ (2 players)
BB bets 6,972, BU (Hero) folds

Total pot: 6,972
BB wins 6,972

 

[Goggelheimer]

Thank you all for the feedback. This is the full hand history


GGPoker, Hold'em No Limit - 400/800 (100 ante) - 6 players
Replay this hand on CardsChat

UTG: 55,787 (70 bb)
MP: 43,374 (54 bb)
CO: 46,918 (59 bb)
BU (Hero): 24,142 (30 bb)
SB: 46,217 (58 bb)
BB: 121,259 (152 bb)

Pre-Flop: (1,800) Hero is BTN with 6♦ 7♦
3 players fold, Hero raises to 1,600, 1 fold, BB calls 800

Flop: (4,200) 7♠ 7♣ T♠ (2 players)
BB bets 1,386, Hero calls 1,386

Turn: (6,972) T♦ (2 players)
BB bets 6,972, BU (Hero) folds

Total pot: 6,972
BB wins 6,972

With this betting line of BB he has any T the remaining 7 any overpair like JJ+.

This is a tough spot.

But mathematical, you have to make this call even if you lose this hand.

 

[eetenor]

Thank you all for the feedback. This is the full hand history


GGPoker, Hold'em No Limit - 400/800 (100 ante) - 6 players
Replay this hand on CardsChat

UTG: 55,787 (70 bb)
MP: 43,374 (54 bb)
CO: 46,918 (59 bb)
BU (Hero): 24,142 (30 bb)
SB: 46,217 (58 bb)
BB: 121,259 (152 bb)

Pre-Flop: (1,800) Hero is BTN with 6♦ 7♦
3 players fold, Hero raises to 1,600, 1 fold, BB calls 800

Flop: (4,200) 7♠ 7♣ T♠ (2 players)
BB bets 1,386, Hero calls 1,386

Turn: (6,972) T♦ (2 players)
BB bets 6,972, BU (Hero) folds

Total pot: 6,972
BB wins 6,972

Take the time to build a range of hands that the V could blocker lead here. Why would they lead only nutted hands on the flop? Then think about how you should react to this lead on flop---Does 67 want to allow the BB to set the price on the flop if they have draws?
Now ask this question? Would your V lead pot with a T and expect you to call? Why do they think a pot bet is a good idea when their flop lead reps the ten most often? Are your V not checking their 7x hands to trap you? Big bets make you fold AK even AKss why would they do that?

Players will play that badly, it is why we take notes but the turn is not an auto fold if this player is not a goof.
77TT pot lead, does this not seem like they are ok with you folding?

 

[fundiver199]

Preflop
Standard open.

Flop
So the opponent comes out swinging with a donk bet, but he goes pretty small. Could be a T trying to "find out where he is" or a draw trying to set its own price. If you were deeper, then I would definitely raise this donk bet, but for 30BB its easy to get the chips in on the later streets, so I am ok with just calling to allow him to continue bluffing. You just need to be a little aware of cards, that complete any of the draws.

Turn
Now he go full pot, and my main question is, why would he do that, if he just turned top boat? A boat has nothing to worry about, so why go so large and force you to fold out a huge percentage of your range, that is now drawing dead or to a few outs at most? A really basic level 1 thinker might go "LOL I have the nuts, I bet full pot", but this is a $20 MTT, and I dont expect to see a lot of level 1 thinkers at this kind of buyin.

He also has a huge stack, which mean, he could be playing the rush and trying to bully a much shorter stack. So this is one of those, where he has to show it to me. I am calling here, and then I am also calling basically any river. And if he check to me, I check behind of low cards but probably jam for value on a high card like an A or K thinking, that maybe he was bluffing with A5 or K4 of spades, and now he is trying to take his rivered top pair to showdown.

 

[Matt_Burns88]

I tend to agree with fundiver. I would expect villain to be mixing bluffs with value here with a full pot bet, in which case this is a 100% call and call on the river, too. We have to accept that occasionally we run into a T or chop with the case 7, but often players with an A, go crazy on a double paired board, or JJ thinks they're going to crush said Ax hand.

However OP's notes suggest that villain is a bit of a nit and only really bets with the best of it, so that would give me pause for thought.

 

[fundiver199]

However OP's notes suggest that villain is a bit of a nit and only really bets with the best of it, so that would give me pause for thought.

His notes also say, Villain bet 1/3 pot, when they have a strong hand. So what are they betting full pot with on a dubble paired board, where solvers never use large bet sizes, because card removal is so important? The nice thing about calling here is, that if they are bluffing, then they are drawing completely dead, since we already have a boat. I guess, 98 of spades has two outs to a straight flush, and hands like 99 or 88 has 2 outs to a better boat. But essentially they are drawing dead, unless they have a T, in which case we are essentially drawing dead.