DrazaFFT
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i just dont see mcgregor vs siver being a main event over bendo vs donald...
Even bendo vs alvarez was a fight of higher ranked fighters than this one, but i guess that its Boston and they need to hype someone in order to sell next aldo PPV...
Even bendo vs alvarez was a fight of higher ranked fighters than this one, but i guess that its Boston and they need to hype someone in order to sell next aldo PPV...
OzExorcist
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LOL - ranking schmanking, McGregor is a boss and Bendo is boring. And more like Aldo is going to be a side story in selling the next Conor McGregror PPV
Suited Frenzy
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And more like Aldo is going to be a side story in selling the next Conor McGregror PPV
^^^ so true
martymart48
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McGregor
McGregor Vs Siver: the best fight .Eazy win for McGregor round 2 by TKO.
McGregor Vs Aldo - I prefer Crazy McGregor.
Cerrone Vs Henderson Close fight . I think Henderson win this fight?
McGregor Vs Siver: the best fight .Eazy win for McGregor round 2 by TKO.McGregor Vs Aldo - I prefer Crazy McGregor
.Cerrone Vs Henderson Close fight . I think Henderson win this fight?
OzExorcist
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Bring on the soccer stadium in ireland
As a side note, what does this say about the pecking order in the UFC when the challenger for a belt is the one that gets to have the fight in his home country, in a guddam stadium no less? I'm trying to think of any other time that might have happened, and at least on this scale I'm coming up blank.
I'd understand having it in the champion's home country, or at a neutral site, or in Vegas because that's where the UFC is based.
It makes perfect sense from a business perspective - if the man can sell out a soccer stadium, dammit, you let him sell out a soccer stadium. But it's a huge slap in the face for Aldo...
As a side note, what does this say about the pecking order in the UFC when the challenger for a belt is the one that gets to have the fight in his home country, in a guddam stadium no less? I'm trying to think of any other time that might have happened, and at least on this scale I'm coming up blank.
I'd understand having it in the champion's home country, or at a neutral site, or in Vegas because that's where the UFC is based.
It makes perfect sense from a business perspective - if the man can sell out a soccer stadium, dammit, you let him sell out a soccer stadium. But it's a huge slap in the face for Aldo...
WVHillbilly
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Well it makes about as much sense as how the 5th ranked guy can beat the 9th ranked guy and get a title shot. My only real explanation is that Dana thinks that McGregor isn't really that good and wants to get that big payday out of him before his hype machine runs into someone who can and will kick his ass. My guess is that this fight with Aldo is it.
OzExorcist
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I dunno - rightly or wrongly, Dana seems to genuinely think McGregor is an outstanding fighter given that he's always singing his praises, not just when he's got a fight in a few weeks that he's trying to sell (see: Dana suddenly claiming that Barao is the best P4P fighter in the world right before Dillashaw beat him, same thing with Aldo when it suits him, etc)
Agree that skipping McGregor straight to a title fight with Aldo is business driven. Making him fight someone that could just make him look vulnerable, let alone beat him, would take the wind right out of their sales. They don't call it the fight business for nothing I guess.
FWIW though, Jack Slack seems to think McGregor is the real deal, and he knows a thing or two: http://fightland.vice.com/blog/jack-slack-conor-mcgregor-is-the-future-of-mixed-martial-arts
Agree that skipping McGregor straight to a title fight with Aldo is business driven. Making him fight someone that could just make him look vulnerable, let alone beat him, would take the wind right out of their sales. They don't call it the fight business for nothing I guess.
FWIW though, Jack Slack seems to think McGregor is the real deal, and he knows a thing or two: http://fightland.vice.com/blog/jack-slack-conor-mcgregor-is-the-future-of-mixed-martial-arts
DrazaFFT
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It seems to me like you nailed it WVH
100% agree
Everything that Dana does lately is over hyping McG give him main event over bendo vs donald, give him title shot even that edgar won a fight against much higher ranked cub swanson and olivera, if anything McG should fight edgar next but no, what if edgar beats him, dana loses big payday, this way average fan will believe that McG is extraordinary and PPW will blast... UFC is all about making money and doing business lately... not even close to the MMA i fall for 10+ years ago
OzExorcist
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So there's another fight card happening this weekend, headlined by Alexander Gustafsson v Anthony Johnson.
Johnson is a $3.00 underdog... and I can help but wonder if people are overrating Gus a lot to end up at that price? The reach difference is negligible. Yes Gus will have the home crowd on his side and yes, he gave Jon Jones a close fight.
But Johnson is a guddam beast at light heavyweight. He's never been knocked out (his one TKO loss was from being unable to continue after an eye poke), and he fights an aggressive style that will rack him up plenty of points with the judges if the fight goes the distance. So unless his cardio is sapped badly by the trip or something, I can't help but feel this one should be a lot closer to even money...
Yeah again, it's the fight business. It ain't your ordinary sporting league where there are ladders and percentages and wins and losses are all that matter. Even the ranking system the UFC does have is largely subjective since it's based on media votes, not actual fight results.
As far as McGregor getting the headlining spot on Sunday over Bendo, don't forget that the original matchup was Bendo v Eddie Alvarez. Two guys who'd both lost their previous fights. The UFC was right to schedule McGregor to headline above that fight, both from a business and sporting perspective. Bendo v Cerrone could absolutely have been a headlining fight on another card, in another town, on another date. But by the time that matchup was made, McGregor had been booked as the headliner for ages.
As to McGregor being "rushed" into a title shot, look at the four guys above McGregor in the rankings: Mendes, Edgar, Lamas and Swanson. They've all got losses to Aldo on their records. Two losses, in the case of Chad Mendes.
In just the past two years Aldo has chalked up victories over three of the top four. He hasn't fought Cub Swanson in five years, and maybe he'd last longer than eight seconds if they fought again... but Swanson just lost to Edgar, so there goes that fight.
And hands up anyone who actually thinks Edgar could actually beat Aldo the second time around? I love Frankie Edgar as a fighter, but I don't see him taking Aldo's belt.
So minor snub of Edgar aside, McGregor is probably the right choice for Aldo to be fighting next. It definitely makes business sense, and (making Aldo take the fight in an Irish soccer stadium aside) it makes sporting sense too.
Johnson is a $3.00 underdog... and I can help but wonder if people are overrating Gus a lot to end up at that price? The reach difference is negligible. Yes Gus will have the home crowd on his side and yes, he gave Jon Jones a close fight.
But Johnson is a guddam beast at light heavyweight. He's never been knocked out (his one TKO loss was from being unable to continue after an eye poke), and he fights an aggressive style that will rack him up plenty of points with the judges if the fight goes the distance. So unless his cardio is sapped badly by the trip or something, I can't help but feel this one should be a lot closer to even money...
Yeah again, it's the fight business. It ain't your ordinary sporting league where there are ladders and percentages and wins and losses are all that matter. Even the ranking system the UFC does have is largely subjective since it's based on media votes, not actual fight results.
As far as McGregor getting the headlining spot on Sunday over Bendo, don't forget that the original matchup was Bendo v Eddie Alvarez. Two guys who'd both lost their previous fights. The UFC was right to schedule McGregor to headline above that fight, both from a business and sporting perspective. Bendo v Cerrone could absolutely have been a headlining fight on another card, in another town, on another date. But by the time that matchup was made, McGregor had been booked as the headliner for ages.
As to McGregor being "rushed" into a title shot, look at the four guys above McGregor in the rankings: Mendes, Edgar, Lamas and Swanson. They've all got losses to Aldo on their records. Two losses, in the case of Chad Mendes.
In just the past two years Aldo has chalked up victories over three of the top four. He hasn't fought Cub Swanson in five years, and maybe he'd last longer than eight seconds if they fought again... but Swanson just lost to Edgar, so there goes that fight.
And hands up anyone who actually thinks Edgar could actually beat Aldo the second time around? I love Frankie Edgar as a fighter, but I don't see him taking Aldo's belt.
So minor snub of Edgar aside, McGregor is probably the right choice for Aldo to be fighting next. It definitely makes business sense, and (making Aldo take the fight in an Irish soccer stadium aside) it makes sporting sense too.
DrazaFFT
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Yea, i do agree with you OZ, it is business but years ago it was all about match up best vs best, it everything changed since they started using ranking system, they have their own rankings and they can use it to skew whatever they want in order to sell fights even the fake trash talks and fake hatred and stuff thats what kinda bothers me but not that much to stop watching or something, just saying for the sake of discussion...
as for aldo and edgar or aldo and McG i really dont think that edgar can beat him, he surely can put him a awesome fight but ill definitely pick aldo there, McG never fought aldo and they know that fans will definitely wanna see someone new fight aldo even if he is worse or behind in the line for the title shot but fans wanna believe that McG can beat him and wanna see that fight they dont wanna see aldo UD edgar again even that it would probably be better fight, but aldo vs McG is a better to sale that aldo vs edgar that is why its happening... If we wanna see it fair we should probably see McGregor vs edgar or swanson and the winner will be next for aldo... this way they can sell McG now and if he fails, they'l run swanson few fights 4-5 win streak or something, they'l say that swanson is much better than last time that he is constantly improving and that he is the mo1 contender and there ya go ne next big payday for fertitas and dana, kinda like mendes... so we have Mcg payday, somewhere betwen edgar have to happen and then swanson and that is how UFC runs the business last years... Not saying that i dont understand it from business side but as someone who watch mma really long it kinda pokes me in the eye when they try to sell me their stories Get what i mean?
as for aldo and edgar or aldo and McG i really dont think that edgar can beat him, he surely can put him a awesome fight but ill definitely pick aldo there, McG never fought aldo and they know that fans will definitely wanna see someone new fight aldo even if he is worse or behind in the line for the title shot but fans wanna believe that McG can beat him and wanna see that fight they dont wanna see aldo UD edgar again even that it would probably be better fight, but aldo vs McG is a better to sale that aldo vs edgar that is why its happening... If we wanna see it fair we should probably see McGregor vs edgar or swanson and the winner will be next for aldo... this way they can sell McG now and if he fails, they'l run swanson few fights 4-5 win streak or something, they'l say that swanson is much better than last time that he is constantly improving and that he is the mo1 contender and there ya go ne next big payday for fertitas and dana, kinda like mendes... so we have Mcg payday, somewhere betwen edgar have to happen and then swanson and that is how UFC runs the business last years... Not saying that i dont understand it from business side but as someone who watch mma really long it kinda pokes me in the eye when they try to sell me their stories
Get what i mean?
Suited Frenzy
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Bring on the soccer stadium in Ireland
As a side note, what does this say about the pecking order in the UFC when the challenger for a belt is the one that gets to have the fight in his home country, in a guddam stadium no less? I'm trying to think of any other time that might have happened, and at least on this scale I'm coming up blank.
I'd understand having it in the champion's home country, or at a neutral site, or in Vegas because that's where the UFC is based.
It makes perfect sense from a business perspective - if the man can sell out a soccer stadium, dammit, you let him sell out a soccer stadium. But it's a huge slap in the face for Aldo...
All I can say is that it's going to be an unbelievable & crazy atmosphere whenever & wherever this event is held. His fight in Boston seemed like it was in Ireland & it was to win the belt. The 1st time he was in Ireland, the crowd was going so nuts & that was like 4 fights ago lol. I can't imagine how this is going to be. I bet the venue gets shook the fuk down from the fans.
Don't get me wrong, Cowboy is one of my favorite fighters, if not my favorite but that result was strange IMO. After looking @ these stats (below), I'm quite confused. I've seen a lot of other fights that have been called this way by the judges in the past so I wasn't that surprised.
Also, I think Rumble has a big chance to KO Gustafsson w/ the power that he has. It's gonna be another awesome event. I'm really happy w/ the UFC & the way they are making these free events for the public. I know it's basically for "promotional" & "advertising" purposes but it's still sweet! I really want to see the Bader vs. Davis fight as well.
OzExorcist
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Yeah... was it really better back in the day though?
Remember Brock Lesnar fighting for the title with just a 2-1 record? That was an even more blatant cash grab than giving McGregor a title shot. So was the awful Shamrock-Ortiz trilogy, hardly "best vs best" contests.
Keep in mind too that the rankings aren't actually set by the UFC - they're voted on by an international panel of MMA journalists. The only real influence the UFC brass has over them is pulling a fighter from the rankings entirely for "inactivity", like they did with Nate Diaz a little while ago.
LOL - so after all that, Uncle Dana turns around and says it's actually gonna be in Vegas, likely Memorial Day weekend: http://www.mmafighting.com/2015/1/1...egor-targeted-for-memorial-day-weekend-in-las
And in other news... CRO COP IS COMING BACK TO THE UFC!
Sure he was a shell of his former self the first time he fought in the UFC, and I don't really see him faring any better this time around against the current crop of heavyweight fighters. But for some reason this still brings a smile to my face
Suited Frenzy
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Exactly. I thought of this when everyone started saying "oh, he doesn't deserve a title shot yet".
Wow, that's actually really shocking. I 90% thought it would've been in Ireland.
Sure he was a shell of his former self the first time he fought in the UFC, and I don't really see him faring any better this time around against the current crop of heavyweight fighters. But for some reason this still brings a smile to my face
Sweet! I actually miss that dude. He was always been a fighter that I wanted to watch.
OzExorcist
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What I find interesting about the "no Irish stadium" announcement is the reasons for moving to Vegas. Namely:
- The stadium has a noise curfew
- The stadium is, y'know, in Ireland, which is in a different timezone to America (who knew?!?) and you wouldn't want to upset the American viewing audience by making them get up early or anything*
- The stadium is outdoors, once again in Ireland, so it'll probably rain
None of that is new information, the UFC would have known all of it the whole time. They could've put a lid on the Irish soccer stadium talk at any point, but they chose to wait until after he fought in front of a Boston crowd with "a title shot in Ireland" on the line before saying anything. LOL.
* didn't they have a recent fight night card from either Australia or China where the fights were at something like 4.00am local time, so that they'd be timed right for American television?
- The stadium has a noise curfew
- The stadium is, y'know, in Ireland, which is in a different timezone to America (who knew?!?) and you wouldn't want to upset the American viewing audience by making them get up early or anything*
- The stadium is outdoors, once again in Ireland, so it'll probably rain
None of that is new information, the UFC would have known all of it the whole time. They could've put a lid on the Irish soccer stadium talk at any point, but they chose to wait until after he fought in front of a Boston crowd with "a title shot in Ireland" on the line before saying anything. LOL.
* didn't they have a recent fight night card from either Australia or China where the fights were at something like 4.00am local time, so that they'd be timed right for American television?
Suited Frenzy
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I'm disappointed that it won't be in Ireland. I love those rowdy-n-wild type of fans. The energy/atmosphere won't be as great in Vegas.
As far as a fight card that was held early in the AM to suit the US fans, I think there might've been one in brazil as well. I tried to look it up but couldn't find it.
Gustafsson vs Johnson this will be a good fight
KO/TKO 63% vs 67% I prefer fight whit KO/TKO
I honestly thought that the Gustafsson vs. Jones fight was going to end in a KO/TKO but it didn't. This fight my thoughts are the same. It should end in one & most likely from Rumble.
Negative.
There are a LOT of non-Irish fans that think he can win.
OzExorcist
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Haters gonna hate
Seriously though, if you look at it from a sporting perspective it makes sense. Aldo has to fight someone, and he's already crushed everyone else in the division ranked above McGregor in the past two years - more than once, in the case of Chad Mendes. Frankie Edgar is the only guy in the group who has a valid case for a rematch, but as we discussed above, nobody really believes Aldo-Edgar II would yield a different result to their first fight.
McGregor, on the other hand, has won five straight fights in the UFC (13 straight if you include non-UFC matches too), against increasingly tough opposition. Have the UFC been choosing his matchups carefully so he doesn't have to fight any wrestlers? Sure. But like I've said before, this is the fight business, they'd be stupid to risk what is sure to be the biggest payday for the lighter weight classes since BJ Penn just to "prove" that McGregor could maybe beat a wrestler, or so that his haters could crow that he wasn't able to defend a takedown or something.
Speaking of one dimensional BTW, you know who else is pretty one-dimensional? Jose Aldo. He's got a 25-1 record, only two of those wins came by submission, and of those, one was a "submission by soccer kicks"! The other was a choke in his third ever fight. So he has exactly as many "proper" submission victories as McGregor has: one.
Aldo is a striker. Which is why I'm not particularly concerned that McGregor hasn't had to face a wrestler on his path to the title shot: it's not like the champion is a wrestler himself and he needs to beat one to prove he's got a chance against the champ. No. The title fight is gonna basically be a kickboxing match.
Yeah, Jones has really gone the way of a lot of champions, eschewing finishes in favour of decisions because (one assumes) he doesn't want to take the extra risks with the belt on the line. And it makes sense too that he's fighting better opponents now than when he was first coming up, so they'll be harder to finish.
Fingers crossed for fireworks in the Gus-Rumble fight - Gus hasn't really shown he has one-punch knockout power so if it goes his way I'm picking it'll likely be by decision.
In other news I put my bet on too early, Rumble out to $3.30 now. Can anyone explain to me how that's rational? Best explanations I can come up with are:
1 - everybody thinks Gus is a god because he 'almost' beat Jones
2 - everybody thinks it'll be a huge advantage that Gus is fighting in his hometown... I'm not so sure home-octagon advantage is actually a real thing in MMA?
3 - everybody thinks Rumble will gas out in a five round fight
As far as #3 goes, I remember him still looking pretty fresh at the end of three rounds with Phil Davis. This isn't the same Rumble from years ago. And Gus has only fought five rounds once himself, against Jones, and he looked pretty damn gassed by early in the fourth himself. So I don't see Rumble's cardio being a big issue...
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KUN_AGUERO_KROOS
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BJJ black belt > big mouth
If the fight goes to the ground, it will be like watching UFC 1.
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redwards92
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oh my lord bring on johnson vs jones :congrats: My first time catching a rumble fight since he returned to the ufc. Had heard a lot of people hyping him up since he returned and damn I am certainly impressed.
bring on johnson vs jones :congrats: My first time catching a rumble fight since he returned to the ufc. Had heard a lot of people hyping him up since he returned and damn I am certainly impressed.