thwenth1983
Visionary
Platinum Level
Good morning everyone, RNG is a program and each room has its own program. Think about the following example, there are many video game brands and each one has its own program, so the best ones will have games that are very similar to the real game, for example football games. If we vote on which football game is the most similar to reality, there will be a winner. The RNG of poker sites is the same thing, there will be a site that will have an RNG that is close to the results of real poker. I noticed that the site that has the most courts and GGpoker, in my opinion, is the programming of the sites.
luckyfish98
Legend
Platinum Level
slot machines can also be installed with different cash winning percentages
online poker RNGs work similarly
how many times will people have to be told that everything is created to make money and we players only do the hard, dirty work
puzzlefish
Legend
Loyaler
I don't think it is possible to know why, or at least to the extent that you are seeking. On the surface it's just different hardware and software. But if you're wondering why at any given moment, for any length of time, on any given site, you are running cold while another person runs hot, then you aren't ever going to get an answer that is going to be factual.
Different sites use different products made by different coders. If you dig around on older topics here on CC and elsewhere, you can get some actual names for the companies that helped create the RNGs. It's just very difficult to quantify what is random and what is not, beyond the obvious card and draw frequencies that show up on the community board.
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EarnDAStack
Visionary
Platinum Level
They are based out of tax havens so they don't have to pay taxes...
They aren't based out of tax havens so they can rip off freeroll and micro stakes players.
As I said before, if you honestly believe a site is rigged against you, it would be foolish to continue playing on the site.
GL
ZenonBR
Visionary
Platinum Level
In 888 poker AK is a bad hand, which will lose to 10 7 and K7 often.
Yes, most of the time the equity in this room works this way, so forget everything you learned about hand value, range, etc... none of that applies with this RNG.
Congratulations, 888poker.
Learn, favorite hands win MOST of the time, but in 888poker most of the time a pair of AKs lose to worse hands.
Variance? Sorry, I don't think so.
At WPT and other rooms, equity is respected, so why only at 888poker not?
I'm profitable in other rooms playing the same way, with range, position, hand value, and it works as it should, but with you why doesn't it work? 🤔 @888Rep.
Great RNG 888poker.
Yes, most of the time the equity in this room works this way, so forget everything you learned about hand value, range, etc... none of that applies with this RNG.
Congratulations, 888poker.
Learn, favorite hands win MOST of the time, but in 888poker most of the time a pair of AKs lose to worse hands.
Variance? Sorry, I don't think so.
At WPT and other rooms, equity is respected, so why only at 888poker not?
I'm profitable in other rooms playing the same way, with range, position, hand value, and it works as it should, but with you why doesn't it work? 🤔 @888Rep.
Great RNG 888poker.
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Poker Orifice
And Still...
Platinum Level
You might be on to something here. I see you have some hard evidence. It is one thing to just say it but to actually back this up with some good solid evidence shows sound reasoning and a good argument for a site being rigged.
Look out 888Poker... it seems you've been found out!
ZenonBR
Visionary
Platinum Level
As long as there are freerolls I will play at 888, as long as I don't need to deposit my money into this room it's ok to lose, I'm actually having fun, and I'll keep posting here, regardless of whether you agree with it or not, the issue that arises is that superior equity, is losing most of the time, stop and think, if a hand with 70% plus equity loses most of the time, do you honestly believe that this is normal? I'm sorry but you are not being the least bit smart thinking that way.
What would be equity in poker then?
If it is of no use?
Would poker be bingo?
Lottery?
What is your logic in defending this?
MK_
Legend
Loyaler
I am curious about your "most of the time" theory, do you have data to support this?,
it honestly doesn't sound like you're having fun?, what's fun about losing?,
the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a
different result, poker is variance, learn to accept it and adjust or keep complaining,
telling someone who questions your theory they are not being "smart" doesn't
really support your theory... but yeah go ahead and post away,
that's what the forum is for .....posts and replies👍
ZenonBR
Visionary
Platinum Level
Poker is variance, but it is also equity, position, range, skill. Variance is called variance because it varies, now you lose most hands that have more than 70% equity, for you is that variance?
Come on, so you believe it's a normal variance, you're playing for a long period of time, going through a large variance where your AKs, AA, KK, are broken most of the time, that's ok it doesn't matter, it's the variance that MK believes, and this continues for a good period, without problems, you can no longer be profitable, even trying to play your best game based on equity, position, range, etc., but variance is ok, nothing matters.
Suddenly everything changes!
Now MK has a 72 and hits 722 on the flop, suddenly you start playing with T5, hit 2 pairs on the flop again, and now you are breaking a lot of AKs with your 72s, T5s your marginal hands are destroying,... and so on. goes on for a long period, your Axs breaking AKs, does this happen?
No, that doesn't happen!
Especially if you are a good player who will never play with these marginal hands.
If my highest equity hands are destroyed most of the time by the variance of marginal hands, then why won't I start breaking AKs in the same way?
Come on, what's the problem?
Aren't we talking about variance?
She can't just choose one side.
This really the kind of variance you believe in?
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MK_
Legend
Loyaler
I don't think it matters what I believe, it is what it is. period. full stop., variance is a brutal thing,
it can last longer than you realize, poker is not for the weak at heart, but ok let's say you lost
"most of the time" with 70% hands..., the rng is personally targeting you and you alone, in a freeroll,
where no rake is involved..... ok I believe you, now what?, you can bang your head against a wall
from now until Christmas and it won't change a thing, why focus on the negative?,
why focus on variance?, or a site you think has bad rng?, or a site you can't legally play on?,
go play on the sites you say you're doing well on, focus on building your br and cashing out,
why waste time on this...., if MK could play on those sites MK would do exactly that😎👍
ZenonBR
Visionary
Platinum Level
2nd place again in wpt, congratulations WPT your RNG respects equity, elimination today at 888 with KK and two villains featuring AJ and Ax, result A on the flop.
WPT is where the real poker happens.
@888Rep
WPT is where the real poker happens.
@888Rep
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black and
Legend
Loyaler
Don't be so categorical
Today you say that the WPT is the place where real poker takes place. Tomorrow you'll say that WPT is the worst site ever. And the day after tomorrow, you'll say that poker is a scam and you'll quit the game. You shouldn't go to extremes, it's better to be consistent and work despite temporary difficulties
ZenonBR
Visionary
Platinum Level
And the famous "variance" of 888poker continues without end, every day, every tournament.
A really curious case, here you can play with hand value, in position, and throw all that in the trash, it doesn't work, the 888's RNG won't respect your equity, and it's not just an isolated fact, it's BADBET happening in most of the time, endlessly, here you don't play poker.
And the big issue is also that we take a lot of BADBETs, but interestingly we don't apply the same BADBETs when we have the worst hands, interestingly equity is respected when it's the opponent who has his AK, we don't break AKs with BADBETs, but we always get broken .
It's interesting that 888poker's variance seems to only act one way, well, variance should act in a different way, why is it so polarized, where it doesn't give you any chance of winning, for such a long period, in all tournaments?
Well, here's the 888poker variance, on another day of variance, just don't expect another 1¢ deposited on your platform. @888Rep
A really curious case, here you can play with hand value, in position, and throw all that in the trash, it doesn't work, the 888's RNG won't respect your equity, and it's not just an isolated fact, it's BADBET happening in most of the time, endlessly, here you don't play poker.
And the big issue is also that we take a lot of BADBETs, but interestingly we don't apply the same BADBETs when we have the worst hands, interestingly equity is respected when it's the opponent who has his AK, we don't break AKs with BADBETs, but we always get broken .
It's interesting that 888poker's variance seems to only act one way, well, variance should act in a different way, why is it so polarized, where it doesn't give you any chance of winning, for such a long period, in all tournaments?
Well, here's the 888poker variance, on another day of variance, just don't expect another 1¢ deposited on your platform. @888Rep
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sn0112
Rock Star
Silver Level
I’ve played (probably) hundreds of thousands of hands on 888 and don’t find it to be ‘rigged’. I’ve played a fair share on other sites and get bad beats on all of them. Plus the reverse in my favour.
I think these screenshots are examples of flipping and the opponent is getting to see all 5 cards, so the risk is always there even if you have a better starting hand.
Even AA is only an 80% favourite. I doubt you are losing more than 20 out of every 100 flips with AA. Besides, it’s a tiny sample size.
I think these screenshots are examples of flipping and the opponent is getting to see all 5 cards, so the risk is always there even if you have a better starting hand.
Even AA is only an 80% favourite. I doubt you are losing more than 20 out of every 100 flips with AA. Besides, it’s a tiny sample size.
ZenonBR
Visionary
Platinum Level
I'm just losing at 888poker every day, in every tournament, and in the other rooms I'm winning, WPT, Replay, and I play exactly the same way, all the highest equity hands I have are broken, it doesn't matter AK, KK, AA , AQ is how the 888's RNG is for me, I know that for many it is a profitable platform, but for my account it is this way, an RNG that makes me lose + 80% on the best hands, so for now this is the situation with 888 every day, and in every tournament, whether pre flop or post flop, the example of this last image occurs, or there is a sequence, if it is with AA the villain hits trips with 88, flush etc. ... AK against a villain with AJ the villain will hit the J, if I have KK and two opponents are ALL IN with AJ and A8 as happened recently, on the flop the A falls and the two share the prize, in short, it's the same every day story if repeating with hands with greater equity, in all tournaments, it is simply impossible to profit anything with an RNG acting only on your hands, if this is just variance as they say, I am waiting for this variance to end, but it simply repeats itself day after day with me.
ZenonBR
Visionary
Platinum Level
I'm only losing at 888poker every day, in every tournament, and in the other rooms I'm winning, WPT, Replay, and I play exactly the same way, all the highest-equity hands I have are broken, it doesn't matter AK, KK, AA, AQ is how the 888 RNG is for me, I know that for many it's a lucrative platform, but for my account it's like that, an RNG that makes me lose +80% in the best hands, so for now that's the situation with 888 every day, and in every tournament, whether pre-flop or post-flop p, the example of that last image occurs, or is there a sequence, if it is with AA the Villain triples with 88, Flush etc... AK against a villain with AJ the villain will beat J, if I have KK and two opponents in this ALL IN as happened recently, A falls on the flop and the two share the prize. In short, it's the same story being repeated every day with your hands with greater equity, in every tournament, it's simply impossible to profit anything with just one RNG in your hands, if that's just variance as they say, I'm waiting for that variance to end, but it's simply repeated day after day with me, that's not poker.
luckyfish98
Legend
Platinum Level
think that it is better elsewhere, nowhere is good (if you get hit in the mouth in one place, the same thing can happen in another place as well)
there will be more from me ......
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