If the RNG is the same in all poker rooms, why does this happen?

[ZenonBR]

The image just shows something simple in poker a BADBET, I really don't care when this eventually occurs, it's part of the nature of poker and it's ok!

The name BADBET is precisely based on the percentage of chance you have over a specific opponent, where you can have an equity ranging from 68%, 87% or more.
When your opponent ends up winning, you use this term BADBET to justify this win.

So RNG is a random card distribution system used by online poker rooms.

Equity is something that is very important in poker, especially for players who have studied the concepts of range, hand value, and have dedicated hours, days, months and years to this, playing based on this, being the basis of poker.

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[ZenonBR]

In the WPT room, I get some BADBETS, but with a low frequency, as it should be, I don't mind because that's part of poker, but I also win with strong hands, I don't spend 70 rounds in a row going FOLD by not connecting a card in the flop like in 888poker, and when I get them the same situation.

Nothing to complain about the WPT because in this room the game develops, we can actually play good poker, but unfortunately at 888poker the difference is huge, equity is not respected, the hands don't arrive, the flop doesn't connect, it seems to be biased, a platform that is not trustworthy, with such high differences compared to other rooms.

The images below are of ALL in pre flop, they are situations that do not occur eventually, they are situations that occur frequently, making it impossible to play poker based on equity.

If all rooms use RNG then why is there such a difference from one room to another like 888poker where equity is not respected. @888Rep

 

[ZenonBR]

Let's go, complementing this topic, I play the same way on WPT as I do on 888poquer, and the results are completely different, two rooms that use a random RNG system should have the same behavior in terms of equity, the images above highlight a difference between both rooms, in WPT I win with good hands most of the time, in 888 poker I win in the minority of times, equity is not respected, where concepts of range, hand value, equity, all of this is just thrown in the trash, you can be eliminated from a tournament, try again in another, then another, everything repeats itself, nothing changes, this is not variance.

Unfortunately, little by little I'm leaving aside this room that I initially liked, a shame, but you can't play in a place where your equity simply doesn't win anymore.

Zen0nBR.
@888Rep

 

[EarnDAStack]

You will eventually run worse than you ever though possible.

- Phil Galfond


It's just variance.


EDS

 

[rhoudini]

My man, sometimes I run so bad at partypoker that I think it can only be some sort of joke, but no, this is the game we play.

The more you play, the more these bad beats will happen. They are not so rare as you might think.
AQo vs 76s is 60% favorite, it means that your chances of losing are quite high!

Therefore, just keep grinding and putting volume. Cheers!

 

[luckyfish98]

I think that RNG cannot be blamed for all episodes
because you only show bad, lost examples here, eg AA vs JJ
To see the real results you need to watch all the AA vs JJ plays throughout your poker career and then you will get the correct result

 

[hardongear]

Google says NO pretty much as I expected.

Variance is real.

Cheers!!!

 

[luckyfish98]

Google says NO pretty much as I expected.

Variance is real.

Cheers!!!

of course, only bad examples are shown here, but where are the good examples with a strong hand

 

[tagece]

The only reason to a room have a a rigged game in poker and benefits some player is if they have robots playing for itself. I don't believe that 888 would do such thing.
Sometimes we have a bad luck day or days. And tend to look for some explanation.
I'm playing in WPT and 888 and having my bad beats in both. And sometimes winning with the worst hand. It's just the way the games works, in my opinion.

 

[luckyfish98]

In the WPT room, I get some BADBETS, but with a low frequency, as it should be, I don't mind because that's part of poker, but I also win with strong hands, I don't spend 70 rounds in a row going FOLD by not connecting a card in the flop like in 888poker, and when I get them the same situation.

Nothing to complain about the WPT because in this room the game develops, we can actually play good poker, but unfortunately at 888poker the difference is huge, equity is not respected, the hands don't arrive, the flop doesn't connect, it seems to be biased, a platform that is not trustworthy, with such high differences compared to other rooms.

The images below are of ALL in pre flop, they are situations that do not occur eventually, they are situations that occur frequently, making it impossible to play poker based on equity. View attachment 372821View attachment 372822View attachment 372823View attachment 372824View attachment 372826View attachment 372827

If all rooms use RNG then why is there such a difference from one room to another like 888poker where equity is not respected. @888Rep

I will tell you the secret of why it happens
1.poker rooms need money
2.it is a good way to attract more players because seeing how AA falls against JJ many will think that it will be easy to win money
3.the more money you have in your poker account, the more they want to take it from you

 

[Igor G]

I can take screenshots like this every day too. Every player can take screenshots like this.
If this surprises or worries you, then perhaps you should find another hobby, such as drawing or sewing, where such situations almost never happen
Such situations happen to everyone, absolutely everyone, if we are talking about an online game. And all you can do is make a decision for yourself whether to play or not.

 

[EmptyHouse]

It's pointless if you've only played a few hands. Play a million hands on each poker room and then start thinking and drawing any conclusions about the RNG.

 

[puzzlefish]

The short answer is that your premise is wrong. Not all poker site RNGs are the same. And not all poker sites have the same level of players. They don't have the same level of games. There are so many differences in play that it's not even worth writing about them here because nobody is going to keep them all in mind.

You're running hot in one site and running cold in another. My suggestion is what you are already leaning towards doing. Play more in the one where you are running hot until you start running cold. Then, after that happens, try the one where you haven't played in a while.

 

[ZenonBR]

The short answer is that your premise is wrong. Not all poker site RNGs are the same. And not all poker sites have the same level of players. They don't have the same level of games. There are so many differences in play that it's not even worth writing about them here because nobody is going to keep them all in mind.

You're running hot in one site and running cold in another. My suggestion is what you are already leaning towards doing. Play more in the one where you are running hot until you start running cold. Then, after that happens, try the one where you haven't played in a while.

Why do these differences occur in the randomness of each room?

Random isn't random and that's the end of it?

 

[Suns of Beaches]

Hmm so 888 rep is here on the forum to explain poker to 🐟?

Must be a real bad bet for him.

 

[MK_]

I mean.... what?, ....variance is variance is variance, that's poker, literally...,

it's not always going to go your way, if you are running bad on one site well then move to a different site...

luckily you have many sites that you are legally allowed to play on....., enjoy👍

 

[R.Holynskyi]

Players have such periods, sometimes it can last a few days, sometimes a week or even more. If you are so unlucky, just take a break. Taking a break for a few days will definitely help you to fix this situation.

 

[luckyfish98]

The short answer is that your premise is wrong. Not all poker site RNGs are the same. And not all poker sites have the same level of players. They don't have the same level of games. There are so many differences in play that it's not even worth writing about them here because nobody is going to keep them all in mind.

You're running hot in one site and running cold in another. My suggestion is what you are already leaning towards doing. Play more in the one where you are running hot until you start running cold. Then, after that happens, try the one where you haven't played in a while.

if you say that RNG is not the same in all poker rooms
1.where do you get that opinion from?
2.if this is true then it is a serious violation of online poker


because if even one hand out of a hundred negatively affects a player with RNG then it is a crime

 

[luckyfish98]

Hmm so 888 rep is here on the forum to explain poker to 🐟?

Must be a real bad bet for him.

good advice but it doesn't help (I'll give you a good advice - be active boy so you don't lose your platinum)

 

[Jean-Guy]

If RNG didn’t exist all pokerrooms would file for bankrupcy.

 

[EarnDAStack]

Why do these differences occur in the randomness of each room?

Random isn't random and that's the end of it?

There is no universal poker RNG these companies go to to buy their software. They have to develop them themselves thus no two are the same. They are also intellectual property so stealing or using another companies RNG algo without licensing would be illegal and as they are competing firms they are under no obligation to share. Phil Nagy with ACR WPN mentioned how he's reached out to other sites about strengthening their security software and gotten no replies, this is because it's in the interest of the company with the strong software not to share it with others so to ensure their portion of market share continues.

CoinPoker for example has a document that outlines how it's RNG has been verified, GGPoker on the other hand stopped auditing it's RNG a few years ago from my understanding. (Meaning they have different RNG algos)

if you say that RNG is not the same in all poker rooms
1.where do you get that opinion from?
2.if this is true then it is a serious violation of online poker


because if even one hand out of a hundred negatively affects a player with RNG then it is a crime

1) A basic understanding of software development and intellectual property law would lead you to this conclusion.
2) What jurisdiction would we look to process these online poker criminals in? Half the companies are registered in Malta or Gibraltar which are offshore banking fortresses and the other half are registered in small island countries I've only heard of when looking into online gambling regulation.


Play at you're own risk but most sites aren't rigged, you're just playing against people who want to send you home broke crying to your mother so the game is hard

 

[luckyfish98]

There is no universal poker RNG these companies go to to buy their software. They have to develop them themselves thus no two are the same. They are also intellectual property so stealing or using another companies RNG algo without licensing would be illegal and as they are competing firms they are under no obligation to share. Phil Nagy with ACR WPN mentioned how he's reached out to other sites about strengthening their security software and gotten no replies, this is because it's in the interest of the company with the strong software not to share it with others so to ensure their portion of market share continues.

CoinPoker for example has a document that outlines how it's RNG has been verified, GGPoker on the other hand stopped auditing it's RNG a few years ago from my understanding. (Meaning they have different RNG algos)

1) A basic understanding of software development and intellectual property law would lead you to this conclusion.
2) What jurisdiction would we look to process these online poker criminals in? Half the companies are registered in Malta or Gibraltar which are offshore banking fortresses and the other half are registered in small island countries I've only heard of when looking into online gambling regulation.


Play at you're own risk but most sites aren't rigged, you're just playing against people who want to send you home broke crying to your mother so the game is hard

You say we play against people online, but are you always 100% against people? You mentioned smart software and technology

 

[maronza1]

I dont consider A2 beating AJ a badbeat
A badbeat would be a hand which was more likely to win being beaten. For examples losing with AA against any other hand. AJ is not a strong hand, if it was against AQ it was going to lose, so its just variance, not badbeat.

 

[EarnDAStack]

You say we play against people online, but are you always 100% against people? You mentioned smart software and technology

The "smart software and technology" I was referring to is the poker client's back end, if you believe a poker client's back end is rigged against you the obvious solution would be to quit playing on the site.

I'm not trying to dispute the existence of players using bots on some or possibly all networks, and obviously I consider this cheating, but that doesn't change my final comment if anything it adds to it. People (not the sites themselves) write programs so they can send you home broke crying to your mother

 

[ZenonBR]

The "smart software and technology" I was referring to is the poker client's back end, if you believe a poker client's back end is rigged against you the obvious solution would be to quit playing on the site.

I'm not trying to dispute the existence of players using bots on some or possibly all networks, and obviously I consider this cheating, but that doesn't change my final comment if anything it adds to it. People (not the sites themselves) write programs so they can send you home broke crying to your mother

And what would GG Poker do if it didn't audit its RNG anymore? Wouldn't auditing RNG be a way to demonstrate the platform's transparency and commitment to authentic RNG?

You say that most rooms have an RNG system in countries that have no commitment to safety and regulation, they are countries where there are security breaches, why are they precisely in those countries then?