Do poker sites rig the game?

[hackadart]

Good one guys...... I actually thought you rigged theorists were serious about your claims, but now I realize its all been just a big joke. You guys got me good!


My doctor says that I can't talk to you anymore about this topic due to the severe raging ulcer that i have developped due to these discussions. For those of you that beleive or even possibly think that sites are rigged I just need to know a few things:

1. Where do you play?
2. What is your screen name?
3. What stakes do you play? (real money of course)

If it is rigged then you should have no problems taking my cash. If it isn't rigged, well..... I think I know which way the money will go.

Cheers!
Hackadart

 

[ShaneO]

Anyone who does not believe that online poker is rigged has never played on any of the 4 sites I have played on. I play about 10 hours a day mainly in heads up and sit and go tournaments and am a couple thousand dollars up which is why I still play. I realize that bad beats are part of the game and happen all the time but not at the rate that they seem to happen online, and its NOT because more hands are seen which is the excuse many people give. Setting more than one person up with big hands also clearly happens. I also think the cash out curse definitly happens. I tried out royal vegas poker and started playing with the free $10 they give just for downloading. I ran my account up to $500 in just 3 days playing mainly heads up and it seemed that I could do no wrong. Immediatly after my cash out of $300 was processed, I lost the remaining $200 within a day. The only reason I can think of why they would do this is to ge me hooked on their site and deposit after I lost. Why would they rig the cards when they are making so much money anyway? I really don't know other than too let everyone have a chance to win so they keep playing because there are many people out there who have no buisness even playing who manage to sometimes win. Im sure we have all seen the idiot who keeps winning hand after hand and there is nothing you can do about it. It seems as if they are programmed to win from the beginning. I know for a fact that a vast majority of players feel that something is going on and when a majority of people think something it is usually right. As for your hand sampling example, it's hard to find a place to start criticizing how irrelevent and how little it proves. The site that you got this off of even says it doesn't prove anything and that it was given out by paradice poker its self. I don't think they would give out data that proves their site is rigged. Apparently you did not read the article afterword. Even if the data is correct which it very well may be, it fails to show things like how often kings are matched up against aces, how often the best hands hold up, fluctuations in players bankroll, and many other things that are people's reasons for feeling that the cards and sites are rigged.

 

[diabloblanco]

Remember kids, keep the tin foil shiny side out.

Apparently you don't read so well yourself. Paradise didn't send the hand histories out and that was stated in the article. Nice first post, you'll fit in well here. Remember, once again, shiny side out.

 

[rk92559]

Your points are valid Shane, why would they rig it, or how?? The why part is simple, more money fom entry fees per day, and rake. How?? I don't know. But if it involves a program, it can be done. Anyone that tells you they know for a fact they don't is a liar.
It has never been proven that they do, but also has never been proven (aside from the auditors on the sites payroll) that they don't. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and judging from your online play, yours is more valid than most of the people running you down. Ask Diablo where he plays online.....nowhere. His opinion doesn't mean shit.

Anyone that actually plays online evryday, and has an ounce of poker sense, would agree that sometimes it does seem rigged. But the freerolling, I think the crews cool, high fiving because I won 9 dollars crowd, will tell you your an idiot. Good luck in dodging the fix, and your kicking a dead horse trying to just post your feelings here. Unless you show undying trust in every poker site on the net.

 

[diabloblanco]

Rk-youre an idiot, but I like you. Stick around please. Oh, and by the way, I have accounts on FT, RV, PP, and Paradise. I started playing online gain, so your last post about my opinions "not meaning shit"...well doesn't mean shit.

PS--shiny side out bud.

 

[ShaneO]

Bodog Poker Stats---Heads up sit and go's--Only when both players are all in before the flop

Hand Matchups-Winning Hand-My Result-Odds of that Hand Winning(Cardplayer odds Calculator)

AQ vs 99--AQ--L--44.2 118 hands
QQ vs AK--QQ--W--57.2 Favorite in hand won--59 times (50%)
K9s vs A6--K9--W--40.8 Favorite should have won--64.04% of the hands
AA vs 88--AA--W--81.1 ( Done by taking the average of each favorite in every hand )
47s vs A3---47s--W--45 Underdog in hand won--59 times (50%)
K6s vs K2s--K2s--L--41.4 Underdog should have won--35.96% of the hands
22 vs K9--22--W--51.3 ( Done by taking the average of each underdog in every hand )
99 vs 109--109--L--35.4 This means that the worst hands won 14.04% more Q5 vs 99--99--W--71.4 then they should have which is very significant.
QJ vs Q8s--QJ--L--69.6 A 118 hand sample is not proof positive that the
A4 vs Q4s--A4--W--70.7 cards are rigged in the underdogs favor. However the
A10 vs 66--A10--W--45.3 results are so conclusive that it certainly appears AQ vs 84--84--L--33.4 as if this is the case. Also of note is that during QQ vs AQ--QQ--W--69.6 this sample, the cards to me seemed to be coming 77 vs AQs--AQs--L--47.9 out fairer than normal for this site and I was
610s vs 34--34--L--34 winning consistently until about the last quarter
JQ vs 103--JQ--W--70 of the sample. This makes it even more surprising
A10 vs 1010--1010--W-- 69.1 that the results were so overwhelming.
A5s vs 33--A5s--L--49.2
QQ vs AK--QQ--W--56.7
A8s vs 86--86--W--27.3
JJ vs 87s--JJ--W--78.4
99 vs Q4--99--W--71.5
94 vs KJ--KJ--L--68
910 vs 93--910--W--74.2
AKs vs AQs--AKs--W--71.3
99 vs Q3s--99--W--68.5
K7 vs K3--K3--L--36.3
K10 vs 66--66--W--53.6
Q5s vs 55--55--W--64.4
Q9 vs A10--Q9--W--36.5
86 vs Q4--86--W--43.5
AKs vs QJ--AKs--W--66.3
A8s vs J7--J7--L--35
JJ vs 33--JJ--W--80.8
55 vs Q4--55--W--69.4
52s vs K7s same suit--52--L--33.5
AJ vs A9--AJ--W--72.6
K7 vs 97--K7--W--70
A4 vs K2--A4--W--65
A9 vs A3--A9--W--68.1
99 vs AJ--AJ--L--44.5
510s vs AK--510s--L--37.4
K3 vs A7--K3--W--35.6
KK vs KJ--KK--W--91.2
JJ vs AQ--JJ--W--56.9
J10 vs 84--84--L--31.6
43s vs J8s--43s--W--37.1
A8 vs 66--66--L--56
AJ vs JJ--AJ--W--30.6
A8 vs K3--K3--L--36.3
45 vs AA--45--L--17.2
44 vs 99--99--L--80.6
34 vs KK--KK--L-- 83.5
AJs vs AK--AK--W--69.4
810s vs 64--810s--W--66.8
99 vs A4s--99--W--66.3
AQ vs 1010--AQ--W--43.1
77 vs J8s--J8s--W--48.1
A9 vs J8s--A9--W--58.3
A9s vs A8--A9s--W--70.7
55 vs 1010--1010--L--80.3
AQ vs 33--AQ--W--47
AQ vs JJ--JJ--W--56.9
AQ vs K10s--K10s--L--40.9
78 vs KJ--78--W--36.6
1010 vs A8--1010--W--72.1
66 vs 79s--66--W--51.1
KJs vs 1010--KJs--W--46.4
Q10s vs 99--Q10s--L--47.9
103s vs A2--103s--W--43.6
77 vs A10--77--54.7
KK vs 88--88--L--19.1
K10 vs Q10--K10--73.9
K10 vs QJ--QJ--40.5
1010 vs KJs--KJs--43
AQ vs K9--AQ--W--64
QQ vs A10--A10--L--28.6
AKs vs A8s--A8s--L--29.5
A9 vs A5--A5--L--33
25 vs 86--86--L--65.2
66 vs 96--66--W--66.1
46 vs A7--A7--L--64.1
Q6 vs JJ--JJ--W--72.1
K8 vs JQ--K8--W--56.8
106s vs J4--!06s--45.1
A7s vs JQ--JQ--L--42.2
A3 vs Q6--A3--W--59
AJ vs A9--A9--L--27.3
1010 vs JJ--1010--W--18
A6 vs Q2--A6--W--64.2
K7s vs 44--K7s--L--48.5
JJ vs 44--JJ--W--81.6
K8 vs 64--64--L--36.3
1010 vs QJ--QJ--L--43.8
310s vs A8--310s--L--40.3
99 vs K4--99--W--71.3
910s vs A8--910s--L--47.2
106 vs 66--106--L--32.8
Q8 vs 95--95--L--36.5
A7 vs K9--A7--W--59
K6 vs 87--87--L--43.5
A6 vs K9s--K9s--L--45
AA vs 310--AA--W--86.8
AK vs AQ--AK--L--74.7
AK vs 1010--AK--L--42.7
89 vs 44--89--W--50.3
A10s vs 810s--810s--L--31.1
78H vs K4H--78H--L--43.4
A7s vs KJ--KJ--W--40.6
KJ vs Q6s--Q6s--L--38.8
K2s vs KQs--K2s--W--28.1
KQ vs K4--K4--W--25.1
K10s vs 910--K10s--W--72.7
KK vs 35s--KK--W--78.6
AA vs JJ--AA--W--81.2
A8 vs 45s--A8--W--58.3
K2 vs 78s--78s--L--49.2


sorry doesnt post right maybe hard to follow

 

[VIPERPS]

there is no way online poker is rigged, they are just bad beats, in happens everywhere even live, only reason why it happens more online is because u see 4xmore hands per hour than a live game.