Is 888 violating privacy?

[MishkaZL]

To be honest, I don't really care what other players see. They will see that I won 2 thousand dollars, ..... hmm, okay, they won't see it, ..... and that's fine too. As for the other indicators, I think this is absolutely unnecessary data, since they do not affect my luck or the luck of my opponents in any way.

 

[monkeytilter]

To be honest, I don't really care what other players see. They will see that I won 2 thousand dollars, ..... hmm, okay, they won't see it, ..... and that's fine too. As for the other indicators, I think this is absolutely unnecessary data, since they do not affect my luck or the luck of my opponents in any way.

I heard if you get 88 in any of the stat numbers it has a dramatic effect on your luck!

Go for those 88s and Good Luck👍

 

[Zorba]

How do you know people have removed it?

He doesn't, as he said, he's guessing.

 

[Station_Master]

Stats. showed instantly for me, and not just from hands played today but hands played for quite awhile. ie. I don't play very often on 888 and on the first table I opened today I had nearly 54,000 hands. View attachment 377484

Zoom?
I noticed zoom showed more hands, whilst reg tables were just at that table. I dont play tons of zoom but looked like it was last month or something like that or do you think its more, 53k seems.alot

 

[rei signo]

Zoom?
I noticed zoom showed more hands, whilst reg tables were just at that table. I dont play tons of zoom but looked like it was last month or something like that or do you think its more, 53k seems.alot

53k seems like a lot for someone who doesn't play much on the site!

 

[rei signo]

I have +$7k MTTs but a lot of it is tickets. I've never managed to get some giant loot with a lot of money, but I'm very professional and huge prizes will come soon. This year I have to shine on the poker sites!

 

[Poker Orifice]

Ok good for you. I was just commenting on someone saying they don't see stats on some players (then guessing why that may be)😃

Was this a cash game btw? It was my understanding stats only show for play at this table in an MTT. I could be wrong, this is all new obviously

those weren't my stats., just to be clear, they were stats for one of the players on my table.

 

[Poker Orifice]

Stats. showed instantly for me, and not just from hands played today but hands played for quite awhile. ie. I don't play very often on 888 and on the first table I opened today I had nearly 54,000 hands. View attachment 377484

THis ^ was supposed to read 'the first table I opened today, I had 54,000 hands on this one player'

And yes, these are SNAP tables.

And no, I don't play very often on 888.

 

[Station_Master]

THis ^ was supposed to read 'the first table I opened today, I had 54,000 hands on this one player'

And yes, these are SNAP tables.

And no, I don't play very often on 888.

Its probably the number of hands they have played in the month or.something like that. You.dont need to have been sat with them.

 

[luckyfish98]

Is 888 violating privacy?-I think not

 

[yuriko oyama]

gg poker already does this, and for a long time as far as I know.

 

[luckyfish98]

To be honest, I don't really care what other players see. They will see that I won 2 thousand dollars, ..... hmm, okay, they won't see it, ..... and that's fine too. As for the other indicators, I think this is absolutely unnecessary data, since they do not affect my luck or the luck of my opponents in any way.

I would prefer to see the real money won by each player, but this is a mess where losses and wins are thrown together

for example the stats show me 8K but the real loss is different and the real cash gain is a different number

the math is simple, my deposited money in 888 Poker must be compared with the paid out money from 888 poker - and only then will the number be correct
then surely a negative number would appear for many


but of course 888pokers doesn't want to show it because it would affect their reputation, but let each player decide for himself

 

[oskarsbaumanis2]

Not only this innovation, but I have also noticed players being split up and changing tables more than before.etc

 

[R.Melnyk77]

888 has just made it so that you can see how much money has been through peoples accounts on the table.
I don't want people to see how much I play or spend. I am sure other people don't want me to see theirs either as its very personal. It private.
This is the same as having my bank account open for all to see how much has been through it over the years.
This is clearly my private information. Not public.
I have tried to find a way to inform 888 of this potential violation. But I can't find a way.

It's a bit of a lunacy. I could easily do without this HUD, and I'm sure the vast majority of players could too. I hope they will think of giving us the right to choose and not decide for us whether we need this option or not.

 

[monkeytilter]

It's a bit of a lunacy. I could easily do without this HUD, and I'm sure the vast majority of players could too. I hope they will think of giving us the right to choose and not decide for us whether we need this option or not.

You can just choose to just ignore it/never look at it?

 

[Poker Orifice]

It's a bit of a lunacy. I could easily do without this HUD, and I'm sure the vast majority of players could too. I hope they will think of giving us the right to choose and not decide for us whether we need this option or not.

I don't understand what exactly it is that you & others here on Cardschat have against it?
If you choose to not use while the rest of the entire site is able to use it for FREE, then you are putting yourself at a disadvantage. Why would you choose to do this?

My thoughts/feelings on the topic is that some players are afraid of it because they don't understand the significance of each of the stats. and how they can go about using them to try to eploit other players on the table... AND that they are afraid that the other players are now getting info. on them and THEY are using it to exploit them.

The stats. are limited to VP$IP (Voluntarily Puts $'s Into Pot) and PFR (PreFlop Raise) & 3-Bet % (the % of times player 3-Bets preflop).
It is easy to get educated on these Stats.
Perhaps someone could open a new thread, outlining some information about each of these statistics, giving some basic information
ie. what is a normal number for VPIP on a 9max MTT table, or on a 6-max cash table; What is a typical % for 3Bet %, and what player type(s) is over or under this number
Also: How can we use this information to help us play against this particular player?
Is the information we're gathering from these stats. actually useful if it's less than 'x' number of hands? (or is it reliable?)

You can add in loads more questions/comments even off of just a couple basic stats. It truly is up to the player to educate themselves about this stuff... it will make you a better player I can guarantee it.

 

[monkeytilter]

I don't understand what exactly it is that you & others here on Cardschat have against it?
If you choose to not use while the rest of the entire site is able to use it for FREE, then you are putting yourself at a disadvantage. Why would you choose to do this?

My thoughts/feelings on the topic is that some players are afraid of it because they don't understand the significance of each of the stats. and how they can go about using them to try to eploit other players on the table... AND that they are afraid that the other players are now getting info. on them and THEY are using it to exploit them.

The stats. are limited to VP$IP (Voluntarily Puts $'s Into Pot) and PFR (PreFlop Raise) & 3-Bet % (the % of times player 3-Bets preflop).
It is easy to get educated on these Stats.
Perhaps someone could open a new thread, outlining some information about each of these statistics, giving some basic information
ie. what is a normal number for VPIP on a 9max MTT table, or on a 6-max cash table; What is a typical % for 3Bet %, and what player type(s) is over or under this number
Also: How can we use this information to help us play against this particular player?
Is the information we're gathering from these stats. actually useful if it's less than 'x' number of hands? (or is it reliable?)

You can add in loads more questions/comments even off of just a couple basic stats. It truly is up to the player to educate themselves about this stuff... it will make you a better player I can guarantee it.

I think it is fear. People don't realise how it will actually benefit them. Double edge sword though, a lot of players will quickly improve now - but some will never learn🤣

I think the winnings line is kind of dumb though and is upsetting a few. I can see why 888 have done it though, looks great for them, 'look at how much people are winning at 888'. Not being too harsh on 888 though, I love the HUD and I think they've done a good job of it along with improving access to notes. Let's hope they got the maths right on the stats (yes I'm looking at you GG)

 

[KrazyKoo]

I dislike the new feature so much, I don't get why so many sites start adding HUDs, if they wanted to equalize the playing field they should BAN the HUDs instead!

Everyone always follows the biggest site.... Better would be to have each site have their own flavor. Damn you GGPoker AND your fake inflated player count numbers!!

 

[Sparta77]

I was also surprised by this..

 

[oskarsbaumanis2]

I dislike the new feature so much, I don't get why so many sites start adding HUDs, if they wanted to equalize the playing field they should BAN the HUDs instead!

Everyone always follows the biggest site.... Better would be to have each site have their own flavor. Damn you GGPoker AND your fake inflated player count numbers!!

There will always be those who like it and those who don't.etc If there was a vote, probably 51% would support and 49% would have to compromise

 

[monkeytilter]

I dislike the new feature so much, I don't get why so many sites start adding HUDs, if they wanted to equalize the playing field they should BAN the HUDs instead!

Everyone always follows the biggest site.... Better would be to have each site have their own flavor. Damn you GGPoker AND your fake inflated player count numbers!!

The problem with banning HUDs is it doesn't deal with black market/underground/hacker/homebrew HUDs, it just makes it unfair for the majority who will never have access to them. Applying HUDs direct on the poker App does 'level the playing field' somewhat and I wish all sites would do it.

Do you have direct evidence of 'inflated numbers' btw? The stats are relatively easy to check for a player to see if they are reasonably accurate, you could just keep a manual count over a small sample for example.

 

[steve01991]

i would stop playing any site that shows this info

 

[pjokay]

It may be deemed as private information but you can find similar information on sharkscope and poker pro labs, would be a completely different story if they showed how much has been deposited.

Though so much more useful! I finding winnings without loses fairly useless data. It does show ability to win games and obviously money made but in that sort of format profit made without showing losses than would be far more useful in determining skill which I assume it is aimed at or just an exciting figure to show?

 

[pjokay]

THis ^ was supposed to read 'the first table I opened today, I had 54,000 hands on this one player'

And yes, these are SNAP tables.

And no, I don't play very often on 888.

Don't know if a traditional hud really works with snap so wonder if they just give you the players stats for that format based on their play /hands rather than observed play?

 

[MK_]

I'm not sure why anyone thinks this is private information everyone can't already see,

...anyone can see how often you put chips in the pot, how often you raise preflop or how

often you 3bet just by watching your actions, or I could just look at the hud and so can you,

none of this is top secret information, use it or close your eyes to free info... cuz that makes sense👍