Two players from the Netherlands won a lawsuit against Pokerstars and Bwin.

[Dzill_230]

Two Dutch players win their court cases against pokerstars and Bwin

Two Dutch players presented their 'loss of funds' cases before a court and won! They were looking to recoup their losses on PokerStars and Bwin stating that the sites had been operating illegally under netherlands law and the courts sided in their favour.

"Groundbreaking Ruling" Sees Poker Sites Ordered to Refund Losses to Players

The ruling may have wider consequences for the rest of the poker industry

www.pokernews.com

 

[KrazyKoo]

Jesus!

First I assumed it was some scam that these companies did to steal money from customers and regulations finally caught them up but it's just another who is allowed to play and who is not and losers got their lost money based on that?

Regulations are a joke, a joke!

 

[Dzill_230]

Jesus!

First I assumed it was some scam that these companies did to steal money from customers and regulations finally caught them up but it's just another who is allowed to play and who is not and losers got their lost money based on that?

Regulations are a joke, a joke!

Hi, this is not a joke. Two players filed a lawsuit alleging that these companies were conducting games without a license. The court recognized the legitimacy of the lawsuit and awarded compensation. They should be refunded the lost funds. More detailed information is available on poker news, with comments from lawyers.

 

[Shells]

Very interesting article, Dzill. I wonder how many other cases are being investigated?

 

[Dzill_230]

As the lawyer representing these players noted, at the moment there is no information on how many similar cases are available. He remarked that this decision is innovative and may serve as a basis for further cases. Currently, the total amount of compensation is $450,000.

 

[moots]

Hmmm...now that they set this as a precedent, maybe I can go through with my "how did my pocket aces lose?" lawsuit.

 

[Suns of Beaches]

Sore loser donkeys. Its a shame that they will get anything back imo.

Well it probably goes right back into the pool.

 

[Poker Orifice]

Hmmm...now that they set this as a precedent, maybe I can go through with my "how did my pocket aces lose?" lawsuit.

Just think about how much jmPuff'nFluff will be suing for. I hate to imagine the sum.... easily in the 10's of Billions & enough to bankrupt Pokerstars' playchip section.

 

[Poker Orifice]

Hi, this is not a joke. Two players filed a lawsuit alleging that these companies were conducting games without a license. The court recognized the legitimacy of the lawsuit and awarded compensation. They should be refunded the lost funds. More detailed information is available on Poker News, with comments from lawyers.

Actually it is a joke. Do you think those two players would've filed a lawsuit had they been winning? Do you think they would've done whatever could to be able to play on the site at the time? They are nothing more than pathetic sore losers, thinking nothing about their fellow players and the poker community imo.

 

[Dzill_230]

Actually it is a joke. Do you think those two players would've filed a lawsuit had they been winning? Do you think they would've done whatever could to be able to play on the site at the time? They are nothing more than pathetic sore losers, thinking nothing about their fellow players and the poker community imo.

I didn't intend to discuss such aspects, maybe they are failures. I don't think they planned it, but they saw an opportunity and took advantage, and the court sided with them. There are many examples of websites refusing to compensate for losses for one reason or another. I have such an example: my acquaintance won a package of tickets worth $3000 in a poker room, the final part being a live tournament, but: 1. the situation in my country is such that it's not possible to leave. 2. this room is shutting down its operations in my country. 3. the internet provider is blocking access and there is no way to resolve this issue, but in those cases when it was possible to bypass the blocking, the room refused to compensate or exchange the tickets. The ambassador of this site agreed to buy out this package - the room refused. And what to do - give them something that has been invested with so much effort, money... I think let there be such a precedent, there are different situations.

 

[Poker Orifice]

I didn't intend to discuss such aspects, maybe they are failures. I don't think they planned it, but they saw an opportunity and took advantage, and the court sided with them. There are many examples of websites refusing to compensate for losses for one reason or another. I have such an example: my acquaintance won a package of tickets worth $3000 in a poker room, the final part being a live tournament, but: 1. the situation in my country is such that it's not possible to leave. 2. this room is shutting down its operations in my country. 3. the internet provider is blocking access and there is no way to resolve this issue, but in those cases when it was possible to bypass the blocking, the room refused to compensate or exchange the tickets. The ambassador of this site agreed to buy out this package - the room refused. And what to do - give them something that has been invested with so much effort, money... I think let there be such a precedent, there are different situations.

The situation you've described is MUCH different than a couple of huge losing whales, crying like babies and calling 'foul' after they've lost their money.
What would they be doing had they won? Would they be asking to give back the $400k they'd won because they just realized that the area they were playing from wasn't legal at the time in that jurisdiction.
It's a joke and it's pathetic imo.

 

[Dzill_230]

The situation you've described is MUCH different than a couple of huge losing whales, crying like babies and calling 'foul' after they've lost their money.
What would they be doing had they won? Would they be asking to give back the $400k they'd won because they just realized that the area they were playing from wasn't legal at the time in that jurisdiction.
It's a joke and it's pathetic imo.

I can agree with you that in case of their win, everything would be the opposite. I also read about cases when casinos mistakenly credited bonuses and then returned these erroneous bonuses with such dissatisfaction. 😁😁 Especially since no one forced or coerced them to play.

 

[xOneCoolHandx]

So a couple of losers went whining about losing. It makes you wonder if they were winning would they have kept their mouths shut (probaby so)? But even more than that, I wonder how this affects all of the other players in their area...are they going to get refunded their losses? Are they going to be forced to pay back their winnings? Did these two chuckleheads ruin poker in that area for everyone because Stars may be the only one they can sign up for and now that will be off the table?

 

[MK_]

I think it takes an insane amount of chutzpah (to put it as politely as possible) to sue them when they voluntarily played on the site...., now they will want to to cry foul and they get rewarded for it?, that's not how it works lol

 

[Poker Orifice]

That judge probably thinks it's rigged

 

[puzzlefish]

Well, I guess more rake will be required.

 

[WoodyWood]

Doesn't mean anything. The Maltese courts protect their gaming industry. These people wont' see a dime.

 

[GNuTTz]

Wow! That is interesting indeed… thanks for sharing.

 

[Goggelheimer]

Two Dutch players win their court cases against PokerStars and Bwin

Two Dutch players presented their 'loss of funds' cases before a court and won! They were looking to recoup their losses on PokerStars and Bwin stating that the sites had been operating illegally under Netherlands law and the courts sided in their favour.

"Groundbreaking Ruling" Sees Poker Sites Ordered to Refund Losses to Players

The ruling may have wider consequences for the rest of the poker industry

www.pokernews.com

The other question is did they illegally play on PokerStars.
In the actual German regulation it is absolutely forbidden to play on any non regulated or in germany licensed poker room or casino.
There is also an option that they can send you to arrest for at least 6 months if you play on a non regulated site and get caught.
If you whine about losing money on a non regulated site here in Germany, you also go to jail if you want your money back with such a way to the law courts.
So if the regulation in the Netherlands looks like this, they (the losers) may have another severe problem.
To add one other point, not knowing that you do an illegal activity does not protect you from punishment.

 

[Dzill_230]

I agree with you. All I understood from the article is that these websites operated in the Netherlands for about 5 or 6 years without the proper permit. These fools took advantage of this, lost, and then someone possibly suggested how to try to get back the lost money. I understood that the Netherlands is more lenient in this regard. I also smiled when I came across this news, but we have a precedent.

 

[G0930]

Great ! They can expect to sue further.
Same here in austria . No license therefore you can sue for casino losses.

But you need time and patience .
Just because it's settled doesn't mean it's done .
PS and bwin will go to revision in a higher court ...
And will surely lose but they will prolongue the process that way

Two Dutch players win their court cases against PokerStars and Bwin

Two Dutch players presented their 'loss of funds' cases before a court and won! They were looking to recoup their losses on PokerStars and Bwin stating that the sites had been operating illegally under Netherlands law and the courts sided in their favour.

"Groundbreaking Ruling" Sees Poker Sites Ordered to Refund Losses to Players

The ruling may have wider consequences for the rest of the poker industry

www.pokernews.com

 

[G0930]

Incorrect. You can't sue someone for using a pokerroom .
It's the country's responsibility to block access to the rooms , not of the player

The other question is did they illegally play on PokerStars.
In the actual German regulation it is absolutely forbidden to play on any non regulated or in Germany licensed poker room or casino.
There is also an option that they can send you to arrest for at least 6 months if you play on a non regulated site and get caught.
If you whine about losing money on a non regulated site here in Germany, you also go to jail if you want your money back with such a way to the law courts.
So if the regulation in the Netherlands looks like this, they (the losers) may have another severe problem.
To add one other point, not knowing that you do an illegal activity does not protect you from punishment.

 

[Goggelheimer]

Incorrect. You can't sue someone for using a pokerroom .
It's the country's responsibility to block access to the rooms , not of the player

Have you studied german law?

 

[Amblo]

Two Dutch players win their court cases against PokerStars and Bwin

Two Dutch players presented their 'loss of funds' cases before a court and won! They were looking to recoup their losses on PokerStars and Bwin stating that the sites had been operating illegally under Netherlands law and the courts sided in their favour.

"Groundbreaking Ruling" Sees Poker Sites Ordered to Refund Losses to Players

The ruling may have wider consequences for the rest of the poker industry

www.pokernews.com

want to see if it were the other way around, if they won a large amount of money, and it was confiscated for the same reason.

 

[ninocabral]

I think that if a website did this to these players, it certainly did it to a lot more but it didn't come to light, the website should publicly recant and clarify these types of things