Jonathan Tamayo takes down the 2024 WSOP Main Event!

[Luvepoker]

OK I'm gonna take this a different way. After I came back from the World Series I was playing in a local game and somebody saw the shirt I was wearing of the event I played this year. At that point several people talking about why they would no longer play the World Series poker. One of the things that was sad is the game is no longer fair to recreational players. How do you compete when you're playing professionals who can rebuy over and over again where most players are just trying to take their one shot just hoping the cash or God forbid win. I cleared in the gladiator event you could rebuy once each day but he also could buy in four days or eight times if necessary. In the first level it actually reminded me a tiny bit of the all in players that we see on free rolls. Not that they were that bad but it was a little wil

The next thing that was talked about was the accusation against Men "The Master" Nguyen and the part with the multi-million chips missing. All those cameras never confirmed the cheat or error. Really no one camera saw it? The thing ist you saw him moving his chips back before the dealer had taken what was due to the winner of the hand. This is another reason why some of these players said they would not want to go back to Vegas and play in the wsop.

Now let's talk about the main event issue. I bet I was rooting on big time the true amateur against the two professionals. When I got heads up and as I watched what was going on I felt bad for Jordan Griff as it looked like it was him against a bunch of professionals and the player all against him. I remember seeing him run over and looking at the computer and wondering if he was just looking at video or previous hand or more. Was Jonathan Tamayo cheating? Even if he wasn't this does not look good for him or the world series of poker. I have played in the World Series multiple times with a hope and a dream but after watching this and all the other things combined it does not leave a good taste in my mouth or he wanting to go back and play more. I will be back but I have to admit I think this could hurt poker and the World Series of poker in general. We don't have online poker due the legal ramifications against it and people thinking poker is cheating and on and on this does not help our cause. I don't know if the World Series should disqualify him or not but at the minimum, they really need to make a rule and enforce it next year. If I can use the stream doesn't come on for 24 extra hours so be it. Jonathan Tamayo the world champ right now he is not the people's champion at this time due to what happened.

 

[BetterThanAvgButNotByMuch]

The next thing that was talked about was the accusation against Men "The Master" Nguyen and the part with the multi-million chips missing. All those cameras never confirmed the cheat or error. Really no one camera saw it? The thing ist you saw him moving his chips back before the dealer had taken what was due to the winner of the hand. This is another reason why some of these players said they would not want to go back to Vegas and play in the WSOP.

How old is Men?

Guy still has it.

Good for him.

Men 1, people not paying attention, can't count or just too lazy to do a count -0.

 

[Poker Orifice]

How old is Men?

Guy still has it.

Good for him.

Men 1, people not paying attention, can't count or just too lazy to do a count -0.

Actually I've heard he's pretty scummy. I'm not sure what reference he was making above about Men but I heard of some other slimey stuff he attempted to pull in game this year.
The only thing he's still got (imo) is the desire to be a douche.

 

[fundiver199]

The next thing that was talked about was the accusation against Men "The Master" Nguyen and the part with the multi-million chips missing. All those cameras never confirmed the cheat or error. Really no one camera saw it? The thing ist you saw him moving his chips back before the dealer had taken what was due to the winner of the hand. This is another reason why some of these players said they would not want to go back to Vegas and play in the WSOP.

That was a ridiculous ruling by the floor. But I guess, when so many people are playing so many events, mistakes are bound to happen. Doug Polk covered this incidence on his channel:

 

[BetterThanAvgButNotByMuch]

Online players calling the kettle black with the HUDS, shove charts and training aids, ok. whatever, lol.

And just because something is "accepted" doesn't make it right either is my point.

And you ppl can rant about what some poker personality says all you want, that's your deal.

But this naive nonsense there aren't people playing that are going to use every angle to win or get help so they have info to give them an advantage at the table. . . is just silly and I'm not talking about some obvious dirtbag like Russ Hamiliton knowing your hole cards online.

My point is, don't be naive and protect yourself whether online or live.

If someone can't understand that playing live you have pay attention to what's going on and protect yourself and stop socializing sometimes or this thinking that everyone is buddy buddy and its just a meet up game then you're going to be "surprised" when these things happen.

Whether its Jack Strauss hiding a chip under a napkin and NOT saying all in;

Or whether Men pulled chips back because he's out of it not knowing the count and didn't know how much the all in had or whether he did try to pull a fast one;

Or its a drunk trying to take chips out of YOUR stack to play a hand they're in late one night because YOU'RE not protecting YOUR stack.

Or its a bunch of players trying to win big pots on some obscure house ruling that nobody really knows but somehow, a bunch of "kids" that haven't been playing a long know these rules and use them on you although you actually "won" the hand, lol.

I heard about that Men hand because I was curious about the boom players and heard about it but for no one to spot it from the dealer being lazy to pulling chips away and doing an accurate count of the allin, to players around Men not knowing opponent counts or simply not recognizing how much the pot is for to the winner of the hand not realizing from what I understand they're missing chips until they're moved to ANOTHER table?

I mean, what are these people doing at the table???

Watching cat videos on their phones???

Running poker sims (lol) or paying attention to poker shove charts? We all know nobody was doing that, lol "wink, wink", lol.

What were they doing? Where were the players at the table????? Why didn't anyone question this??

And depending on the floor, the dealer, cameras, or someone else to protect YOUR interests is . . . , well . . not the way to go, to put it nicely, lol.

Sure, they're there to help but like with those kids and the obscure ruling that they and only the floor knew, its not always going to go in your interests, so don't be naive.

Pay attention to whats going on.

If you don't like something bring it to the attention to the floor immediately like with Tamayo because how long were they doing that? And since the other person lost, now everyone is crying??? Really?

And here's the truth about the WSOP: a lot of players see it when there's a chance they can get really lucky and win a lot of money and that's fine.

But its also a time when a lot of serious/professional players are trying their best to make their yearly quota or to get buyins for events or whatever from all that dead money coming to town so they can continue playing or make a living from either the tourns or cash games happening in Vegas during the WSOP and the other major tourns running at the same time.

And they feel the pressure and I'm sorry to say but I'm sure they might go into the "grey area" to keep going.

Is it right? Of course not, but you have to think about that as well.

This post is way too long, you folks have the last word but don't be naive and protect yourself and become informed.

And get used to playing live before you shell out a ton of money in airfare, hotel event entries food etc on a trip to the WSOP or wherever and its going to be your first time playing live or you have limited experience playing at other casinos or you're not racking up hours in a live chair.

That's what local casinos whether you prefer tourns or cash and the circuit is for.

Learn how things operate live and be able to glance at stacks and know what people have or at least have a clue.

I still can't fathom how that Men hand happened. Even if you're tired after playing for lots of hours and multiple days back to back.

That's basic paying attention to the action whether in or out of a hand.

Anyway, good luck folks.

 

[RENEY444]

Men ' the Master'will use any angle and scam he can .

 

[gardin555]

Apply one new rule: physical distance between players and observers.
Or dont allow observers where the final table is being played.

That was really crazy! This happened in the heads - up of the most important (or popular) poker tournament of the world! 🤫🤣

They are checking the opponent´s range. 🧐🤓



Most crazy part, cynical one, is when one of the profesionals coach gives to him the bracelet, too much!😵‍💫


Seems a bad dark comedy movie, but this is real and really happened in this world in 2024.
They are trying to say something with it? There are something hide behind it? Some kind of smokescreen? 🤔
I´m trying to find a second interpretacion about this ... but maybe its not too deep, but simply just another cheat story...🐷

 

[skaterick]

dont let any of those 4 guys play the WSOP again !

 

[TableFable]

That nice work ! Gratz !

 

[Poker Orifice]

Most crazy part, cynical one, is when one of the profesionals coach gives to him the bracelet, too much!😵‍💫
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Seems a bad dark comedy movie, but this is real and really happened in this world in 2024.
They are trying to say something with it? There are something hide behind it? Some kind of smokescreen? 🤔
I´m trying to find a second interpretacion about this ... but maybe its not too deep, but simply just another cheat story...🐷

The two of them have been friends (& also roomates) for many years. Jonathon was there on the rail for Joe back in 2015 when Joe McKeehen won the WSOP MainEvent. Nine years later, Joe is on the rail for Jonathan.

Personally I don't think it was a good choice by the WSOP to have Joe present Jonathon with the bracelet... ESPECIALLY after the ridiculous stuff going on with the rail being involved, coaching while using a 'solver' on the rail. (and, with his other 'coach' being the guy who produced the famous solver 'DTO Trainer'). It is really lame and is absolutely terrible for the game of poker!!! The WSOP runs a really good show in Vegas each year but some of the decisions are terrible... this being one of the bad ones for sure! (I think he should've been booted out of the tournament! It's ridiculous! They knew the rules!)

 

[Poker Orifice]

^ his 'coach' Main Event Winner in 2015

 

[skaterick]

the earpiece at least one of those guys was wearing is especially troubling .... they may have been communicating with Tamayo during hands also ! fully cheating .there is video of the 3rd friend trying not to look suspicious after he receives the electronic device .... he is a terrible actor !

 

[Amblo]

OK I'm gonna take this a different way. After I came back from the World Series I was playing in a local game and somebody saw the shirt I was wearing of the event I played this year. At that point several people talking about why they would no longer play the World Series poker. One of the things that was sad is the game is no longer fair to recreational players. How do you compete when you're playing professionals who can rebuy over and over again where most players are just trying to take their one shot just hoping the cash or God forbid win. I cleared in the gladiator event you could rebuy once each day but he also could buy in four days or eight times if necessary. In the first level it actually reminded me a tiny bit of the all in players that we see on free rolls. Not that they were that bad but it was a little wil

The next thing that was talked about was the accusation against Men "The Master" Nguyen and the part with the multi-million chips missing. All those cameras never confirmed the cheat or error. Really no one camera saw it? The thing ist you saw him moving his chips back before the dealer had taken what was due to the winner of the hand. This is another reason why some of these players said they would not want to go back to Vegas and play in the WSOP.

Now let's talk about the main event issue. I bet I was rooting on big time the true amateur against the two professionals. When I got heads up and as I watched what was going on I felt bad for Jordan Griff as it looked like it was him against a bunch of professionals and the player all against him. I remember seeing him run over and looking at the computer and wondering if he was just looking at video or previous hand or more. Was Jonathan Tamayo cheating? Even if he wasn't this does not look good for him or the World Series of Poker. I have played in the World Series multiple times with a hope and a dream but after watching this and all the other things combined it does not leave a good taste in my mouth or he wanting to go back and play more. I will be back but I have to admit I think this could hurt poker and the World Series of poker in general. We don't have online poker due the legal ramifications against it and people thinking poker is cheating and on and on this does not help our cause. I don't know if the World Series should disqualify him or not but at the minimum, they really need to make a rule and enforce it next year. If I can use the stream doesn't come on for 24 extra hours so be it. Jonathan Tamayo the world champ right now he is not the people's champion at this time due to what happened.

Pros' rebuys only increase their chances, but do not decrease your chances.

It only takes one chance to get it, and it doesn't matter.

If it's your day, you can do it.

Leave the people's champion part to me. I've even stopped studying to do this the way it should be done.

 

[WrongUsername]

Mr. A9 must be nice to play DTO and run that hot.

 

[saucegod]

Very nice to know

 

[fundiver199]

I think he should've been booted out of the tournament! It's ridiculous! They knew the rules!

As I understand it, the rules were unfortunately not that clear. They announced in their loudspeakers, that players were not allowed to use solvers at the tables or in the tournament area, but the written rules were not specific about it. So booting him might have been a bit over the top. But they could have send someone to the rail and asked his team to put their laptops away. And next year I definitely hope, they will make some rules, that cover this situation, so that it will not happen again.

the earpiece at least one of those guys was wearing is especially troubling .... they may have been communicating with Tamayo during hands also ! fully cheating .there is video of the 3rd friend trying not to look suspicious after he receives the electronic device .... he is a terrible actor !

This is actually even more troubling than the use of solvers on the rail. Even if they would only be able to give general advice or information about past hands, they had seen on the stream, real time coaching is definitely against the rules of any casino life or online.

 

[Poker Orifice]

As I understand it, the rules were unfortunately not that clear. They announced in their loudspeakers, that players were not allowed to use solvers at the tables or in the tournament area, but the written rules were not specific about it.

They knew the rules. Everyone knew the rules re: solvers. It was announced at the beginning of every tournament over the loud speaker.. AND players had been BOOTED from tournaments earlier on in the series.
Just because it wasn't yet instituted into the 'written rules' doesn't give them a pass imo.
I don't know if you saw Dominic's response (< ... remember who he is? He's that 'random' player who won the Venom for 1.7mill ) on Twitter but if you hadn't, it was pathetic!

 

[Poker Orifice]

Pros' rebuys only increase their chances, but do not decrease your chances.

It only takes one chance to get it, and it doesn't matter.

If it's your day, you can do it.

Leave the people's champion part to me. I've even stopped studying to do this the way it should be done.

It certainly does change one's chances. Pros are much more likely to rebuy (it's a fact). So this greatly increases the ratio of Pros > to > Regs., greatly reducing the chances of winning (cashing) for the recreational players.
Of course anyone can win on any given day (even a donk can get lucky... speaking of...)

Interesting to note that you mention that 'Pros rebuys... increase their chances' and yet you don't see how this would in turn decrease the chances for the recreational player. Wow

 

[Like2Play2]

Poker is a great game for great guys. Thank you so much, Shells, for giving us this wonderful opportunity to watch it on CC.

Agree 100% it was great to watch. Thank You Shells.

 

[skaterick]

it seems that now the computer programs, databases ,charts and other aids are taking over live poker as well .may the best algorithm win !

 

[szabooom]

It’s sad that we aren’t still talking about this, I was shocked in July and still in October am surprised that we haven’t seen a definitive stance taken