Do you trust online poker?

[Suzana2304]

Yes, there are bots , but if I can win money and get them , I trust. And all this tournaments for millions , which are played live proof it.

 

[forrow10]

It can certainly feel at times that the software is out to get you when opponents chase with marginal hands and hit on the river, etc. We've all been there. But I think this feeling comes more from thinking you "deserve" to win the hand because you had AA and you can't believe that your stupid opponent would even play 32o, and not being disciplined enough to fold your AA.

When people say that online poker is rigged, they never define "rigged." Do they mean rigged against them personally (this is silly), or rigged for the site to maximize rake? If it is rigged in any way, it has to be the latter. However, if it is "rigged" to maximize rake, think about what this means. I love Magic612's videos too, especially the one titled "Brokeback Mountain." I've never laughed so hard in my life. But let's look more critically at the two theories he always repeats in his videos.

In cash games, that the software is set up to coordinate the board to players' hole cards to keep as many players in the hand as possible (chasing down to the river) in order to cap the rake. Even if this is true, it has to mean that it is rigged against all players equally, which is the same as saying it's NOT rigged at all.

Or in tournaments, if the software is set up to knock certain players out at certain times, both to speed up the conclusion of the tourney and to make players re-enter or buy in to other tourneys (again maximizing rake for the site). Even if this is true, in the long run this would happen to all players with equal frequency. Anyway, people find it hard to accept the fact that you will bust in most tourneys you play no matter how good you are.

Ultimately, the decisions still come down to you, and you have to accept full responsibility for the decisions you make at the tables. The software is not forcing you to stay in a hand, nor is it stopping you from folding your big hand on an unfavorable board when you know you're beat. If you watch Magic's videos carefully, you'll see all the big hands he folds when he senses he'll lose or when opponents are being super aggressive. If your gut tells you should fold or you have the feeling that a hand will end up badly for you, just fold your hand and wait for a better spot. You can still beat the game if you're disciplined enough, which most people aren't (I include myself here).

Complete agree with this opinon . I think there no personal issue with the plataforms... Probably the software seeks to "maximaze rake" but thats why we should more disciplined at betting and folding.

 

[Kenad_MNE]

I trust it more than live games, you never know the dealers in live cash games can set up cards to their "friends", and it has happened to me once that I know of. Online, the software doesnt care if i win or anyone else

 

[digdug0037]

It's time for the good old US of A to get with the times. It's time for America to repeal its stupid internet gambling laws, to regulate online poker rooms and to make money off of us. Regulate and tax it baby

Agreed! If they knew how much money was going to the theft of our money to these unregulated sites they might give it a look. Relying on some thugs down in costa rica to play fair is kinda scary.

 

[samsonand]

the truth is not 100% because there are always many ways on the part of those in charge of these rooms to do some kind of trick

 

[MichaelTyler]

Never full trust any online poker site 100%. We have such a dark and disappointing history. Protect yourselves as best as you can and minimize any possibility of your bankroll going bye bye.

 

[korbal29]

I do trust the major brands pokerstars and the likes. Whats very important for me is the ability to withdraw my funds,any amount,anytime.
As far as security,collusion etc.. I stick to pokerstars because he is being around over 15+ years

 

[danoscar]

Hello. Yes, I trust each site unless I have a bad experience.
Dan'O

 

[Zeke67]

Tell me I was NOT supposed to go broke...

Never mind the entire situation. Here’s the short version. Final 3 table of a MTT. Big blind and look down at 33. Around the table raise, re-raise, I fold. Here’s the runout...
9-3-3 on the flop. 9 on the turn!! 9 on the river!!!! The button position had A-9!!!

Tell me I was NOT supposed to go broke on that hand!!! I didn’t. I was just shocked at the runout!! SHOCKED!!

Z

Stay Safe

 

[Costy69]

Do I trust online poker

I live in America where we only get to play on shady sites. So no I dont trust online poker.

 

[luki_jakdo]

I'm thinking about online poker, I'm not going in a round where I'm 2/3 in hand, here comes the card and it appears 3-3-2 and you wonder why I did not play this part? enters for you AA, you bet and think that you will win, your opponent goes with 7/8 and fafaz 2 pairs and wins from you. and so, should I rely on poke online.

Yes i totaly do because I think a big online site like PokerStars is trustable.
I wouldnt play on unknown sites tho.

Yours Luki

 

[billiamwedge]

I don't deposit often enough, so I almost always lose of my own volition, and yes I do trust them. Only the ones with credentials though. Plus, what choice do we have with all the casinos closed down anyways?

 

[Andrii Lubentsov]

I want to trust but have a big doubts time to time.

 

[TongueLashin]

The old business model: Host hourly freerolls for all players. This created a natural site ecosystem. With luck the site and the shark regulars can sustain themselves. When fish go broke they can deposit or freeroll. If a regular went broke they can wait for monthly rakeback payment. Aside from bots and cheats sites were somewhat fair.

New business model: Host little or no freerolls. Have no rakeback whatsoever. Allow newer players on site to run normally. After 500 games a player is evaluated by program and given a hidden rating. The better your rating the harder it will be to win regardless of holdings or betting. It will feel like a rubber band pulling you the other direction when you catch 8 hour strings of wild river beats because there is a virtual - next to your name. Your goofy fishy opponent has an invisible + next to his name meaning he at no point will have air at river. Average or new players have no symbol at all and are neither favored or unfavored by the program. This makes it so site stays at maximum traffic (miracle?) despite hosting no freerolls, rakeback, or penny tables.
My stats were exactly like my stats at Cereus for Chico network save for some small improvements. Then I hit 500 mark and my bankroll just tanked something horrendous.
Suddenly it is negative sign for me 5.5 days a week. When negative sign is active my +opponent has trips-nuts on any board against me. It does not matter what I have or how much I bet. When negative sign is active on me you may as well be hunting the biggest bum there is. There will be lost flips for hours, run outs from all hell like constant losses 92-99% at turn. The moment you place chips in pot the dagger is there in your backside milliseconds afterwards.
I played donk bar poker live for awhile in Florida. I never seen anything like a day at Betonline... Any other fairly solid TAG experience same?

 

[TongueLashin]

Hi,

I sometimes feel that online poker like a robot works. Based on the success with my nickname, the program decides if I win the next tournaments or not.

I recently won a tournament and since then I lose with each hand. No matter how strong.

Is that imagination?

Sure seems that way.

 

[TongueLashin]

And what would a poker site even achieve by that? To make people buy in to another tournament, because they busted faster in this one? Thats possible maybe, but bad beats tend to make people very angry, and when they get angry, some of them stop playing completely. So is it really good for a poker site to make players angry by putting more bad beats on them? I dont think so.

Also there are other ways for poker sites to finish tournaments faster, like decreasing the time between blind increases. Which has a much more pronounced effect than any slight rigging of the algoritm to bust short stacks could ever have. And a lot of players choose these fast structures anyway, so does poker sites really need to force it on the rest? To me it become outright silly, when someone put forward this theory and then tell, that he is playing turbos

The site achieves highest possible traffic without having to do freerolls, rakeback, or penny games. Cool deal for them. I miss the old deal...

 

[TongueLashin]

And what would a poker site even achieve by that? To make people buy in to another tournament, because they busted faster in this one? Thats possible maybe, but bad beats tend to make people very angry, and when they get angry, some of them stop playing completely. So is it really good for a poker site to make players angry by putting more bad beats on them? I dont think so.

Also there are other ways for poker sites to finish tournaments faster, like decreasing the time between blind increases. Which has a much more pronounced effect than any slight rigging of the algoritm to bust short stacks could ever have. And a lot of players choose these fast structures anyway, so does poker sites really need to force it on the rest? To me it become outright silly, when someone put forward this theory and then tell, that he is playing turbos

The site achieves highest possible traffic without having to do freerolls, rakeback, or penny games. Cool deal for them. It is like a dying relationship. You remember the honeymoon phase when your needs were fulfilled without the added drama.

 

[wimpyfish1]

Believe

I think you just have to trust the major sites for legitimacy, the pros have played there and not complained. The cards fall funny even in live games.

 

[TongueLashin]

And what would a poker site even achieve by that? To make people buy in to another tournament, because they busted faster in this one? Thats possible maybe, but bad beats tend to make people very angry, and when they get angry, some of them stop playing completely. So is it really good for a poker site to make players angry by putting more bad beats on them? I dont think so.

Also there are other ways for poker sites to finish tournaments faster, like decreasing the time between blind increases. Which has a much more pronounced effect than any slight rigging of the algoritm to bust short stacks could ever have. And a lot of players choose these fast structures anyway, so does poker sites really need to force it on the rest? To me it become outright silly, when someone put forward this theory and then tell, that he is playing turbos

The site achieves highest possible traffic without having to do freerolls, rakeback, or penny games. Cool deal for them. It is much like a dying relationship. You remember the honeymoon phase when your needs were fulfilled without the added drama. Sadly, that is as good as it gets and it won't be that good again.

 

[machinm19]

This old chestnut? I though we all know and agree that online poker is rigged and too take it with a pinch of salt. These sites have SUPER USER programs and as shown in the POT RIPPER scandal employees of the sites will get tempted and use them, doesn't mean you can't have fun though I'm kinda used to the software now you can tell when its screwing you and its easier to fold.

If you feel somebody is making impossible calls and knows somehow every time you're bluffing move tables do not let your ego convince you that you can win, I've encountered this many times and I used to just donate to the Super User but my friend showed me the Pot ripper videos and now I just move and report if I suspect this.

 

[machinm19]

Never mind the entire situation. Here’s the short version. Final 3 table of a MTT. Big blind and look down at 33. Around the table raise, re-raise, I fold. Here’s the runout...
9-3-3 on the flop. 9 on the turn!! 9 on the river!!!! The button position had A-9!!!

Tell me I was NOT supposed to go broke on that hand!!! I didn’t. I was just shocked at the runout!! SHOCKED!!

Z

Stay Safe

I reached a final table on GG couple months back with 4 people left I'm in 2nd place on BB with AK, UTG shoves, button shoves, sb calls I call. A9, A9, K9 v My AK Board Flop 562 Turn 10 bet you can't guess the river card? Funny thing was we all knew it was coming in my house so we just laughed that stuff used to make me mad.

 

[MsUniverse]

I play at PokerStars and I trust them completely

 

[Artbart805]

Trust On line poker

NO

hands dealt well under expected randomness.

Loose with 70% equity time after time.

4 card flush to beat a top pair
4 card straights to beat top pairs.
too many 1,2,3 outs hit on the river..




These sites are programed to keep people playing. Like a slot machine. Loosers have to win sometimes, and winners cannot be allowed to win .

Must keep the rake coming in..

 

[AMAQ12]

For the most part yeah. People will always argue that the boards that run out are intentional to create action. That may or may not be true, but i see crazy things happen consistently at in person games, its just the game we play. It will always feel better to have cards and chips in your hand.

 

[Pokersavvy]

Yes I do. You can't trust everything though. I lost out on $ when some sites I played on shutdown.