Unique Casino/dealer error

[itsmebobd]

so wait, he announced fold and threw his hand FACE up into the muck? The ruling should have been on the fact he accounced a fold, if he accounces fold, words are binding. What I need to know, is were u all in for the last $100 or not? If you were all inwith the $100, he should win the pot at showdown. If not, you should win the pot as his words are binding. A good way to prevent this, is if he announces fold, put in your last $100. If he doesnt call that bet, you win regardless. But this is a bit perplexing I agree.

 

[guicor30]

wow that dilemma.
look at this hand is in Spanish but look close there also something similar happens.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_IxdoGJ3oI

 

[OzExorcist]

On the river though, his opponent clearly knows he has chips remaining or else he wouldn't have announced a fold.

Agreed - I'm just saying if there was an error on the turn, which is what the floor apparently based their ruling on, then it could have been caused by OP having his chips in his hand and the dealer/villain not realising he still had money behind.

However when the action folded back around to me I clearly had and showed my chips and asked if it was a raise or call. At this stage villain declared it was a call and was happy to get the difference back. When I initially raised it was clearly announced as a raise, not an all in.

OK this is new information. Without that discussion there's a heap of potential ambiguity about what everyone (villain, dealer, etc) thought was happening on the turn. I still think it's possible (likely, even) that the dealer thought you were all in when he returned the extra chips to the villain.

Having had that discussion between the turn and river though, awarding villain the pot on is just insane.

Also, how could u possibly win without showing your hand? You have to show to win....

Only if the hand reaches showdown. If you bet the river and your opponent shows you definitely don't need to show your hand.

 

[Jerroldneal]

Seat ten, fat dealer, seat one villain

i have AK suited. Flop nut flush. Go all in, seat 4 folds out of turn. I thought the hand was over, muck my hand. Dealer gives pot and all my chips to seat one. Seat 4 went out of turn bc seat one was hiding his cards. Dealer didn't announce seat 4 went out of turn, otherwise I wouldn't have thought play was over. I couldn't even see seat one from seat ten bc of the size of the dealer. This was dealer error. Floor ruled against me. Thoughts?

 

[teepack]

i have AK suited. Flop nut flush. Go all in, seat 4 folds out of turn. I thought the hand was over, muck my hand. Dealer gives pot and all my chips to seat one. Seat 4 went out of turn bc seat one was hiding his cards. Dealer didn't announce seat 4 went out of turn, otherwise I wouldn't have thought play was over. I couldn't even see seat one from seat ten bc of the size of the dealer. This was dealer error. Floor ruled against me. Thoughts?

Pay better attention next time.

Back to the OP, the guy who announced fold and flipped his hands over before you had taken any action is an idiot. If you can prove that you had called out a bet of your last $100, which induced his fold, then you deserve the pot. Since he had folded, there was no reason for you to show your cards (remember that the next time).

 

[JVal]

dealer is dumb

im seriously wondering how this guy is a dealer

guy pushes out $500 which should have forced a raise to $550 ($50 to $300 to $550)

doesn't matter if he meant to call unless he specifically said call

how the hell does the dealer even know that he meant to call anyway? lol

then on the river when guy turns over the cards, dealer should have asked him what he's doing, are you checking? are you folding?

he should have gotten a warning for turning over his cards before action is complete but his hand is not dead unless he folds

i don't know why you turned over your cards, maybe idiot dealer asked you to? cards speak does not apply since action is not complete on the river. you should have been adamant in asking what the guy was doing first. even if guy was folding, why would you show your cards? if he folded, then you win the pot. you should have waited for the dealer to muck his cards, then tossed him yours

so much wrong with this hand

im seriously wondering how this dealer has a job

he is awful from what you described

 

[JVal]

i should also note that you may have contributed to the confusion by keeping your last $100 in your hand and not in full view as it should be

i assume you didn't do it on purpose but it is against the rules to deliberately hide any chips you have in play

even so, the dealer should have declared you all in if he didn't see you had chips left at which point you would have pointed out you still have chips and then maybe this whole situation could have been avoided lol

 

[PokerFunKid]

Am i the only one who is wondering why in the hell would he want to fold 2 pair getting over 10 to 1? Just doesn't make sense.

 

[OzExorcist]

i have AK suited. Flop nut flush. Go all in, seat 4 folds out of turn. I thought the hand was over, muck my hand. Dealer gives pot and all my chips to seat one. Seat 4 went out of turn bc seat one was hiding his cards. Dealer didn't announce seat 4 went out of turn, otherwise I wouldn't have thought play was over. I couldn't even see seat one from seat ten bc of the size of the dealer. This was dealer error. Floor ruled against me. Thoughts?

As above, you just need to pay closer attention to the action - especially if you're sitting in the 1 or 10 seat, as this kind of stuff happens all the time.

And as a general rule, any time you think you've won any part of a pot, don't surrender your cards until the chips have been pushed to you.

Am i the only one who is wondering why in the hell would he want to fold 2 pair getting over 10 to 1? Just doesn't make sense.

Live poker, villain made sick read obv