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ph_il
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Silver Level
im not cutting and pasting articles.bpazjr13 said:
and im sorry if my advice is so blatantly obvious, but what do you expect when a game like poker has been around for so long. im not putting this so up for all you "experts" at this game. besides, a lot of responses in these threads are blatantly obvious, 90% of is common sense and everyone should know about it...why even have a poker forum if everything is so blatantly obvious, right? Seriously, guy...if you know all of this...good for you, but i didnt make this thread to please only you.
Pokeroo007
Rising Star
Bronze Level
Great postin!!
thanks for the tips!!
I laid down a Full house against quads ... I just followed my gut feeling! I folded on his raise at the turn, and as I was folding my cards I showed my full house and told the guy exactly what he had in his hand.. everyone looked at me shocked that i folded Fh J over 4's... the other guy had Pkt 4's!!
I was so proud of myself!! I learned a lesson
If it doesn't feel right then it's not!! FOLD!! and wait for another hand to make money!!
thanks for the tips!!
I laid down a Full house against quads ... I just followed my gut feeling! I folded on his raise at the turn, and as I was folding my cards I showed my full house and told the guy exactly what he had in his hand.. everyone looked at me shocked that i folded Fh J over 4's... the other guy had Pkt 4's!!
I was so proud of myself!! I learned a lesson
If it doesn't feel right then it's not!! FOLD!! and wait for another hand to make money!!
Sharkman
Enthusiast
Silver Level
Great posts! Especially for some newbies to grasp the concept of "True Poker". After you read these posts. Keep in mind once you develope your skills to this level. You can do some manipulation. Example from a tourney I played in today that won me a huge hand.
Hand: Q 10 os (small preflop raise to weed people out)
Flop: J 10 6 (made a small raise)
Turn: 10 (I checked here lol! He made a huge bet, I went all in then! He called)
River: 3
(no poss. flush or striaght here)
Checking to the only guy left in the hand after the pot was already big (14k) made him dig his own grave. And of course after he bet most of his stack, he was commited when I went all in. I LOVE THIS GAME!!!!!! :listen:
Hand: Q 10 os (small preflop raise to weed people out)
Flop: J 10 6 (made a small raise)
Turn: 10 (I checked here lol! He made a huge bet, I went all in then! He called)
River: 3
(no poss. flush or striaght here)
Checking to the only guy left in the hand after the pot was already big (14k) made him dig his own grave. And of course after he bet most of his stack, he was commited when I went all in. I LOVE THIS GAME!!!!!! :listen:
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ph_il
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Silver Level
Good stuff, man. i made my lay down in a similar fashion. i was playing in a small tournament and i was heads up with a woman named marilyn. after we both antee'd in (decided to just ante and not blind when were at heads up so it goes by faster) i was dealt 88 and i raised it up a bit and she called.Pokeroo007 said:
the flop came down 778 and i was thinking "Yes! I'm in chip lead right now and ill win if i take this pot. Im just going to slow play and push as soon as she makes a move." so i checked it and she bets and i just call (acting like i wanted to hit a draw card). in my head i was thinking "maybe she has the last 8. maybe 8/A and she thinks thats good. she could have the 7 and thats even more bad news for her because it'll be hard to lay down a trips. at the moment i think she just has the 8".
the turn was 7 and i check again and she bets. i smooth call this time and start thinking. "does she really have A/8 and is playing the low boat? thats the only hand i can really put her on. i dont think she has the last 7 in her hand, its heads up."
the river is a K. and i think "ok, no draw cards hit im gonna bet and make it look like the king 'helped' me and see if she makes a move." i bet small and she says 'Im all in". i go into the tank and im thinking "What does she have? i have the highest boat and the only think i can think of her having is a smaller boat. maybe she hit the river and is playing her 777/kk and thinks i have 777/88..but she wouldnt bet on anything unless she hit the flop and turn. 8/K maybe?" i replay the hand in my head (show my friend, the dealer, my boat) and i think "im not even 100% right now if my hand is good. i flopped the nut boat, but why do i feel like its beat? screw it, i lost some chips, but i think i can get it back. i didnt commit myself." then i folded.
the dealer scream "WTH kind of game are you playing? you folded a boat??" he shut up when he saw quads.
i didnt have a read a strong read on her, but i just when with my feeling that was telling me i was beat. a few hands later i was chip lead over her and offered to split the pot since i knew it was going to go back and forth for a while.
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flbumm
Rising Star
Bronze Level
great post with lots of tips. I especially liked the part about gut instinct. I was playing and went all in on probably a hand that a normal person would have folded and won it. The person asked why did I play it and told him/her had a gut feeling. I don't play gut feelings all the time but sometimes I do and they win. I have folded alot of the ones that I had a feeling to go ahead and play and wished I would have stayed in. When I see little cards continue to be on the board I will go in with low cards in my hand and sometimes win sometimes lose. I am going to try a few of your tips and see how I do. I have yet to place high in the tourneys but notice I am getting closer so maybe someday soon. Thanks for the tips and see you at the tables.
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VegasGrinder
Rock Star
Silver Level
Some of his advice is not so good.
Bad Poker advice is worse than none at all.
Making friends at a Poker Table is not going to keep anyone from wanting to Bust you.
All poker books are not the same.
How to play specific hands against specific type of players in these books are vary good. To say I have never had JJ against an Elephant is a sign of a new player. anyone who has experiance has been in this situation. If you continue to play poker, you will run in to it and it is better to know how to play a hand to extract as many chips from the other player as possible. This includes your Friends.
He says what if everyone gets dealed rags. One of 2 things will happen.
Everyone will fold around to the BB (Slight Chance the SB will call).
Or someone will bluff and steal the Blinds (Most likely the Button).
His story where he tries to steal the Blind with K, Trash suited goes to show more inexperiance and bad advice. You should try to steal blinds with non premiums hands like A,J off suit. This way you have OK outs.
He got lucky and cought a flop. He makes a bet to take down the pot because he doesn't want to break his friend. Again another Rookie Mistake.
His Friend comes over the Top with Nothing but 3 outs after been being raise preflop and a lerge bet at him on the flop....Shows the weakness and inexperiance of the games this guy plays in.
He plays $25 Tourneys and $5 buy in games. This is as a low stakes game you will find. He doesn't do well at higher limits he says. There is a reason he doesn't and that is because he gets out played.
You need to play at a limit you can afford but also it has to be high enough that you care about it. Playing at a limit so low that you don't care if you lose will only get you to play bad hands. It needs to sting when you get busted.
Bad Poker advice is worse than none at all.
Making friends at a Poker Table is not going to keep anyone from wanting to Bust you.
All poker books are not the same.
How to play specific hands against specific type of players in these books are vary good. To say I have never had JJ against an Elephant is a sign of a new player. anyone who has experiance has been in this situation. If you continue to play poker, you will run in to it and it is better to know how to play a hand to extract as many chips from the other player as possible. This includes your Friends.
He says what if everyone gets dealed rags. One of 2 things will happen.
Everyone will fold around to the BB (Slight Chance the SB will call).
Or someone will bluff and steal the Blinds (Most likely the Button).
His story where he tries to steal the Blind with K, Trash suited goes to show more inexperiance and bad advice. You should try to steal blinds with non premiums hands like A,J off suit. This way you have OK outs.
He got lucky and cought a flop. He makes a bet to take down the pot because he doesn't want to break his friend. Again another Rookie Mistake.
His Friend comes over the Top with Nothing but 3 outs after been being raise preflop and a lerge bet at him on the flop....Shows the weakness and inexperiance of the games this guy plays in.
He plays $25 Tourneys and $5 buy in games. This is as a low stakes game you will find. He doesn't do well at higher limits he says. There is a reason he doesn't and that is because he gets out played.
You need to play at a limit you can afford but also it has to be high enough that you care about it. Playing at a limit so low that you don't care if you lose will only get you to play bad hands. It needs to sting when you get busted.
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ph_il
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Silver Level
Some of his advice is not so good.
-i never said it was the best and i never said anyone had to follow it. This is all from my own experience and where i play at, im sure it differs everywhere else so i dont expect it all to work everywhere else.
Bad Poker advice is worse than none at all.
Making friends at a Poker Table is not going to keep anyone from wanting to Bust you.
-Notice this is from my experience and also notice i didnt say this for everyone at the table. If you go to casinos with friends, do you try and bust them for all they have? Most likely no because you dont want to bust friends. I meet and make a lot of friends at casinos, especially people i play and speak with on a regular basis...in and out of the casino. (this is not just a 1 night greeting and you're friends). So..in my experience, where i was beat i was fortunate enough to be up against some friends who could have busted but chose not too. they put a dent in my stack, but they still left me with something. and Vice versa...if i know i have someone beat and the pot is decent, if he doesnt bet at it, then we can check it all the way down. Like i said, this isnt for everyone and not everyone is going to experience this...
All Poker Books are not the same.
-Again, this is my opinion...and i said the basic fundentals of whatever game you're reading about is practically the same. depending on the author/players style of play and how they themselves would handle something in a situations is what differs.
How to play specific hands against specific type of players in these books are vary good. To say I have never had JJ against an Elephant is a sign of a new player. anyone who has experiance has been in this situation. If you continue to play poker, you will run in to it and it is better to know how to play a hand to extract as many chips from the other player as possible. This includes your Friends.
-Well the thing is, in my 5+ years of serious poker playing, i havent had JJ against someone i would lable as an "elephant". Sorry guy, it just hasnt happend to me yet. This is a minor example hand in the book and thats what im trying to say: there are so many different hands and situations and player attitudes and other things to consider. NL Theory hold them sounds great on paper, because you can set up it how you like it. How is a new player gonna play a hand that hasnt been an example in any book? ..he has to learn it from experience. books are great as guidelines, but one should rely on it completely.
He says what if everyone gets dealed rags. One of 2 things will happen.
Everyone will fold around to the BB (Slight Chance the SB will call).
Or someone will Bluff and steal the Blinds (Most likely the Button).
-Again..this is theory. everyone will fold if everyone is a tight player, but have you have seen a table full of tight players? Do you think there could be a possibility of the button taking a stab at blinds? Theory.
His story where he tries to steal the Blind with K, Trash suited goes to show more inexperiance and bad advice. You should try to steal blinds with non premiums hands like A,J off suit. This way you have OK outs.
-are you sure you're reading everything? WTH would i steal blinds when i was UNDER THE GUN (first to act)..that is just stupid. And if you had read the whole post, you would've notice that i said i had been playing and showing a lot of strong hands, but hadnt played a hand in a while and decided to play this hand strong (to represent i had something). sure i was risking money on a bad hand, but i was up in chips, i had a good handle on the table, and i wanted to play a hand for ISH and giggles...this is once in a blue moon type thing for me. sometimes i just have to break from the norm and play something BS.
He got lucky and cought a flop. He makes a bet to take down the pot because he doesn't want to break his friend. Again another Rookie Mistake.
-i dont see how this is a rookie mistake? sure i couldve slow played my hand and busted him right? but i didnt want to do that. again if you had read it, you would have noticed that i said that i didnt like my hand because i dont like winning big on luck. especially when it comes to getting lucky with BS hands. I bet big again because i wanted him out of that pot.
His Friend comes over the Top with Nothing but 3 outs after been being raise preflop and a lerge bet at him on the flop....Shows the weakness and inexperiance of the games this guy plays in.
-actually, i dont think so. After the hand and the game we discussed it and he knew i had a weak starting hand, because he noticed i wasnt even planning on raising in the first place. so, he had that read on me that my hand must be weak and im making a play. he knew on the flop that i didnt have the A (or it was very unlikely) because he knows how tight a play and i fold A/2 - A/9 especially in early position. if i had a hand like AK or AQ in early, i wouldve played it a lot differently and he picked up on it. when he pushed on the flop, he figured his A was good...he put me on a K, but how can you put someone on a K2? according to him, he thought that maybe i was playing K/10 and the least and was trying to rep it as being strong. so, my friend did make a slightly bad decision, but i see where it came from...he had a decent read on and knew i was weak. i just happened to get flop lucky...
He plays $25 Tourneys and $5 buy in games. This is as a low stakes game you will find. He doesn't do well at higher limits he says. There is a reason he doesn't and that is because he gets out played.
-So, do you just skip sentences or something? Ok heres the thing: as of lately my group of friends have been playing $5.00 tournaments weekly and weekend $25.00 dollar tournaments. Why? because its a change of pace and we are not rich. We have bills to pay, we have part time jobs, we're in college, we need to eat...so im sorry if our low-ass limits isnt up to par with all the big balla's you play with, but we play with what we can.
Another thing is if you had read properly, which...is obvious you havent, i said i dont do well in tournaments, but i do well in cash games. I play 1-2 times a week depending at $100 buy in NLH table. i dont bring any more then i need to (some extra if i want to eat). Im a very tight player(ive said this a number of times) so i dont come up big usually, maybe $200-$300 on average a night. when it comes to playing poker im serious about it, but to me its nothing more then a hobby that pays. I only play at casinos/house with my winnings. if i dont have anything to play with i dont...simple as that. my paychecks go to paying for whatever payments i have to pay for and my savings.
You need to play at a limit you can afford but also it has to be high enough that you care about it. Playing at a limit so low that you don't care if you lose will only get you to play bad hands. It needs to sting when you get busted.
Read above. i've played in a variety of limits that i all take seriously. whether its $100. at a casino or a $2.00 buy in game with some friends who are just starting off. Dont think that just because our house games at the moment is at low limit we all play reckless and stupid. Our limits are low so it allows people who want to play to be able to without having to really sacrifice anything. Especially now since most are in school, we arent making as much money as before and we have to pay for our schooling and books and everything..so we toned the limits down a bit. when schools out and everyone is working full time, expect the limits to go up because we can afford it.
anyway, thanks for the response...i like to hear criticism as much as i do praise. You made some good points and somethings i just had to clear up.
-i never said it was the best and i never said anyone had to follow it. This is all from my own experience and where i play at, im sure it differs everywhere else so i dont expect it all to work everywhere else.
Bad Poker advice is worse than none at all.
Making friends at a Poker Table is not going to keep anyone from wanting to Bust you.
-Notice this is from my experience and also notice i didnt say this for everyone at the table. If you go to casinos with friends, do you try and bust them for all they have? Most likely no because you dont want to bust friends. I meet and make a lot of friends at casinos, especially people i play and speak with on a regular basis...in and out of the casino. (this is not just a 1 night greeting and you're friends). So..in my experience, where i was beat i was fortunate enough to be up against some friends who could have busted but chose not too. they put a dent in my stack, but they still left me with something. and Vice versa...if i know i have someone beat and the pot is decent, if he doesnt bet at it, then we can check it all the way down. Like i said, this isnt for everyone and not everyone is going to experience this...
All Poker Books are not the same.
-Again, this is my opinion...and i said the basic fundentals of whatever game you're reading about is practically the same. depending on the author/players style of play and how they themselves would handle something in a situations is what differs.
How to play specific hands against specific type of players in these books are vary good. To say I have never had JJ against an Elephant is a sign of a new player. anyone who has experiance has been in this situation. If you continue to play poker, you will run in to it and it is better to know how to play a hand to extract as many chips from the other player as possible. This includes your Friends.
-Well the thing is, in my 5+ years of serious poker playing, i havent had JJ against someone i would lable as an "elephant". Sorry guy, it just hasnt happend to me yet. This is a minor example hand in the book and thats what im trying to say: there are so many different hands and situations and player attitudes and other things to consider. NL Theory hold them sounds great on paper, because you can set up it how you like it. How is a new player gonna play a hand that hasnt been an example in any book? ..he has to learn it from experience. books are great as guidelines, but one should rely on it completely.
He says what if everyone gets dealed rags. One of 2 things will happen.
Everyone will fold around to the BB (Slight Chance the SB will call).
Or someone will Bluff and steal the Blinds (Most likely the Button).
-Again..this is theory. everyone will fold if everyone is a tight player, but have you have seen a table full of tight players? Do you think there could be a possibility of the button taking a stab at blinds? Theory.
His story where he tries to steal the Blind with K, Trash suited goes to show more inexperiance and bad advice. You should try to steal blinds with non premiums hands like A,J off suit. This way you have OK outs.
-are you sure you're reading everything? WTH would i steal blinds when i was UNDER THE GUN (first to act)..that is just stupid. And if you had read the whole post, you would've notice that i said i had been playing and showing a lot of strong hands, but hadnt played a hand in a while and decided to play this hand strong (to represent i had something). sure i was risking money on a bad hand, but i was up in chips, i had a good handle on the table, and i wanted to play a hand for ISH and giggles...this is once in a blue moon type thing for me. sometimes i just have to break from the norm and play something BS.
He got lucky and cought a flop. He makes a bet to take down the pot because he doesn't want to break his friend. Again another Rookie Mistake.
-i dont see how this is a rookie mistake? sure i couldve slow played my hand and busted him right? but i didnt want to do that. again if you had read it, you would have noticed that i said that i didnt like my hand because i dont like winning big on luck. especially when it comes to getting lucky with BS hands. I bet big again because i wanted him out of that pot.
His Friend comes over the Top with Nothing but 3 outs after been being raise preflop and a lerge bet at him on the flop....Shows the weakness and inexperiance of the games this guy plays in.
-actually, i dont think so. After the hand and the game we discussed it and he knew i had a weak starting hand, because he noticed i wasnt even planning on raising in the first place. so, he had that read on me that my hand must be weak and im making a play. he knew on the flop that i didnt have the A (or it was very unlikely) because he knows how tight a play and i fold A/2 - A/9 especially in early position. if i had a hand like AK or AQ in early, i wouldve played it a lot differently and he picked up on it. when he pushed on the flop, he figured his A was good...he put me on a K, but how can you put someone on a K2? according to him, he thought that maybe i was playing K/10 and the least and was trying to rep it as being strong. so, my friend did make a slightly bad decision, but i see where it came from...he had a decent read on and knew i was weak. i just happened to get flop lucky...
He plays $25 Tourneys and $5 buy in games. This is as a low stakes game you will find. He doesn't do well at higher limits he says. There is a reason he doesn't and that is because he gets out played.
-So, do you just skip sentences or something? Ok heres the thing: as of lately my group of friends have been playing $5.00 tournaments weekly and weekend $25.00 dollar tournaments. Why? because its a change of pace and we are not rich. We have bills to pay, we have part time jobs, we're in college, we need to eat...so im sorry if our low-ass limits isnt up to par with all the big balla's you play with, but we play with what we can.
Another thing is if you had read properly, which...is obvious you havent, i said i dont do well in tournaments, but i do well in cash games. I play 1-2 times a week depending at $100 buy in NLH table. i dont bring any more then i need to (some extra if i want to eat). Im a very tight player(ive said this a number of times) so i dont come up big usually, maybe $200-$300 on average a night. when it comes to playing poker im serious about it, but to me its nothing more then a hobby that pays. I only play at casinos/house with my winnings. if i dont have anything to play with i dont...simple as that. my paychecks go to paying for whatever payments i have to pay for and my savings.
You need to play at a limit you can afford but also it has to be high enough that you care about it. Playing at a limit so low that you don't care if you lose will only get you to play bad hands. It needs to sting when you get busted.
Read above. i've played in a variety of limits that i all take seriously. whether its $100. at a casino or a $2.00 buy in game with some friends who are just starting off. Dont think that just because our house games at the moment is at low limit we all play reckless and stupid. Our limits are low so it allows people who want to play to be able to without having to really sacrifice anything. Especially now since most are in school, we arent making as much money as before and we have to pay for our schooling and books and everything..so we toned the limits down a bit. when schools out and everyone is working full time, expect the limits to go up because we can afford it.
anyway, thanks for the response...i like to hear criticism as much as i do praise. You made some good points and somethings i just had to clear up.
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VegasGrinder
Rock Star
Silver Level
OK, fair enough....But I do think you need to read Harringtons new books. Get the first one, read it and you might be surprised at how much you learn.
You are at an age where you tend to think you know it all or have it all figured out.
I have friends I see at the Tables all the time.....I Guarantee They will Bust me if they get the chance as I would them and it has been done both ways. Than again, This is what we do.
You are at an age where you tend to think you know it all or have it all figured out.
I have friends I see at the Tables all the time.....I Guarantee They will Bust me if they get the chance as I would them and it has been done both ways. Than again, This is what we do.
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ph_il
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Silver Level
I'll be sure to pick up harringtons new book and his first one as well.VegasGrinder said:
im 23 years of age (still pretty young i know) but i dont think i have it all figured out or i know it all. in my first post i still label myself as a beginner, thats why im trying to stay away from post anything that has to with playing directly. ex: playing X/X vs X/X and X-player....
Well at home games we try and bust each out. outside we either stay out of each others way or we dont make moves on each other. i noticed you're from Las Vegas and im from a small town of Fairfield, CA...so i would be surprised if the players play differently..and again, this is all from my experience and the 3-4 casinos in my area that i go to. I can understand if Vegas' competition is a lot more fierce and here not as much. We dont have high enough limits for someone to make it a career/live off of it. for the most part players here play for recreation and nothing more. of course if i go some place new, i try an adapt to my new surroundings. Dont expect bring all i posted here to a new surrounding.
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bontime
Rising Star
Bronze Level
You have some good tips Philthy. It doesnt matter what everyone else thinks your just trying to help so if people think that the tips u give are "so obivous" then why are they looking and reading the tips and actually responding to them? You make some good plays and good lay downs. Dont listen to people who scrutize your play.
YOUR MONEY YOUR PLAYING STRATIGES!
You are going to become a great poker player later in life just be patient.
thx Bontime
(i've been playing for 2 years now and your stuff is still helping me and i have made couple thousand of dollars playing, so play your game screw everyone else!)
GL Philthy
YOUR MONEY YOUR PLAYING STRATIGES!
You are going to become a great poker player later in life just be patient.
thx Bontime
(i've been playing for 2 years now and your stuff is still helping me and i have made couple thousand of dollars playing, so play your game screw everyone else!)
GL Philthy
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Redprelude
Rising Star
Bronze Level
Some pretty good tips
I was chilling and I rain into ur tips. They are great reminders that i shouldn't play the way i do, but play in different manners according to the situation.
I once raised with pocket jacks against a player. He re-raised me with pocket kings. I put him all in. he calls right away. Of course he wins with trips on the flop then full house after pairing up on the river. Again, in a different situation, I have pocket jacks. The same guy, reraises a raise, all in. The people before me folds. I had pocket jacks, didn't know what to do. Do i call a 25 dollar all in. That's about the same amount I had. Plus I still have the raiser to worry about. So i think one of them has to have over cards or higher pocket pair then me. Becuase I knew them. Well, it turns out I didn't know them. They both had pocket fives. I was piss. Oh well, though.
So yah. i was beat many times with pocket jacks. I don't belieive in them. But I guess I should. Every situation is different.
I was chilling and I rain into ur tips. They are great reminders that i shouldn't play the way i do, but play in different manners according to the situation.
I once raised with pocket jacks against a player. He re-raised me with pocket kings. I put him all in. he calls right away. Of course he wins with trips on the flop then full house after pairing up on the river. Again, in a different situation, I have pocket jacks. The same guy, reraises a raise, all in. The people before me folds. I had pocket jacks, didn't know what to do. Do i call a 25 dollar all in. That's about the same amount I had. Plus I still have the raiser to worry about. So i think one of them has to have over cards or higher pocket pair then me. Becuase I knew them. Well, it turns out I didn't know them. They both had pocket fives. I was piss. Oh well, though.
So yah. i was beat many times with pocket jacks. I don't belieive in them. But I guess I should. Every situation is different.
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flip733
Rising Star
Bronze Level
hey philthy thanks for the tips i read them afew days ago but i'm just commenting on them now i must say i've tried to read alot about poker and those tips could be more useful for my style and my games then all other info
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becca4825
Rising Star
Bronze Level
Thanks for the tips. Yes, many of these things can be called common sense, but don't we all forget about using common sense once in a while? It's nice to be reminded! Maybe you should think about writing your own book, you have a knack for laying it out in a way anyone can relate to!