Phil Ivey statement on Full Tilt Poker payouts

[BelgoSuisse]

2+2 thread on this topic just broke over 1k posts...

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/news-views-gossip/phil-ivey-releases-statement-1046023/

 

[Aldito]

Haha what a hero

 

[OzExorcist]

So does anyone have any ideas on what possible grounds he could be suing Tiltware?

 

[Samango]

Well done Phil

I'm looking forward to seeing what percentage of people still pick him for event 3 in Fantasy poker lol

 

[WVHillbilly]

So does anyone have any ideas on what possible grounds he could be suing Tiltware?

That they are doing harm to his brand by not paying US players promptly perhaps?

If he had played he would have heard nothing from the rail other than boos and cries to "Give us our money!". His release today and the lawsuit is all about repairing his image which he knows is worth a hell of a lot more than what he was getting from FTP.

Call me cynical but I also wouldn't be shocked if the whole thing (including Dwan's tweet in response) was just a setup to allow Ivey to play without the jeers. Follow me here:

1. Ivey releases his statement
2. Dwan says he agrees with Ivey but he's going to play because he's going to pay players back all the $$s he's received from FTP if Tilt doesn't pay.
3. Ivey releases a statement in a few days that he's going to play a few events with the stipulation that he'll give any winnings (up to any amount Dwan contributes) if Tilt doesn't pay.
4. Ivey plays as the hero instead of the goat.

 

[OzExorcist]

I just honestly can't believe people would have been heckling Phil Ivey over this at the wsop. Howard Lederer absolutely but Ivey? He's god, everyone loved / respected / feared him already and anyone dumb enough to blame him for this situation and heckle him about it in person would no doubt be mobbed by a dozen of his groupies before they could get more than a few words out.

As for doing harm to his brand you're suggesting what, defamation as a cause of action?

 

[WVHillbilly]

I just honestly can't believe people would have been heckling Phil Ivey over this at the WSOP. Howard Lederer absolutely but Ivey? He's god, everyone loved / respected / feared him already and anyone dumb enough to blame him for this situation and heckle him about it in person would no doubt be mobbed by a dozen of his groupies before they could get more than a few words out.

As for doing harm to his brand you're suggesting what, defamation as a cause of action?

Obviously I'm just speculating but yeah I think defamation could be the cause and even if it's not it's certainly the reason for the suit. Also it doesn't really much matter about the lawsuit's particular merit. Phil's already accomplished the image repair (plus some) that he needed anyway.

As for how he would have been treated had he showed up like all was normal, I think you're really wrong. He would have been hounded HARD. Now if he plays he'll be worshiped more than ever.

 

[OzExorcist]

I guess we'll never know. I just figure Phil Hellmuth and Annie Duke were able to show their faces at live events with little consequence in the wake of the UB cheating scandal (something that I think rates as much, much worse than the current situation with FT) so I'd be surprised if it Ivey caught any significant heckling. The threads here and elsewhere direct most of their vitriol towards Howard in any case.

Plus internet heroes claiming they'll give him a piece of their mind if they see him at the WSOP and said heroes actually making good on the threat are two very different things - I suspect most of them probably just mumble something about him being their idol and ask for an autograph if they ever actually get face to face with him

 

[arahel_jazz]

Sad to see he is pulling out of the WSOP (well... for now). That's like Tiger Woods pulling out of the Masters because a ranking Amatuer was disqualified. Doesn't make sense.
All he will do now is troll the high-stakes cash tables during the WSOP and clean up.

 

[ben_rhyno]

Ivey is such a boss

Would be nice if Ivey grew a set of balls and went after the DOJ, which has our money, this was a lame move on his part.
PS I posted the same on his page...Not even a aka pro will see less from me, this makes me sick.
This PUSSY deleted the post, that should show you.

The MFer Blocked me, that should show how much this POS cares, i will be posting the same thing to 2+2 forums

Since the Edit button is not here, it's been posted on 2+2 of how much of an ass he was

Right now he got a PM, it's been posted on 2+2 forums, how much of an ass he is
HE nor his staff picked the wrong one to mess with!!!!

Lol Tardaments

 

[BelgoSuisse]

What needs to happen now is for the rest of the non-US poker world to stop playing on FT

That would be the best way to ensure nobody ever gets their money back. As long as FT runs a viable business, the risk that they default on the US players is negligible. If their business tanks due to bad press, it becomes very likely that players will loose at least part of their rolls.

 

[kidkvno1]

it's all Fake, do you think FTP would still be on his twitter page, if he was filing a law suit on FTP.
Did not FTP get him into a WSOP event??
I am with OzExorcist and WVH....

 

[RamdeeBen]

It doesn't look good if someone of Phil Ivey's standard can't get to helping the players get their money. It sounds as if he's in the same boat as everyone else, I'm not sure what happens now?

Does it even look like these massive sums of money are ever going to be available?

I wouldn't expect him to release such a statement if he thought there was going to be access to funds in the near future..maybe he basically has been told that everyone is screwed?


On another note, anyone here who is from the U.S who actually have received their funds?

 

[baudib1]

That would be the best way to ensure nobody ever gets their money back. As long as FT runs a viable business, the risk that they default on the US players is negligible. If their business tanks due to bad press, it becomes very likely that players will loose at least part of their rolls.

Our money is gone. Did you hear the quadjacks broadcast? Ray Bitar spent player funds last year on advertisting. This was apparently common practice.

 

[onemorechance]

it's all Fake, do you think FTP would still be on his twitter page, if he was filing a law suit on FTP.
Did not FTP get him into a WSOP event??
I am with OzExorcist and WVH....

Ivey didn't play in the 25k hu so no

Our money is gone. Did you hear the quadjacks broadcast? Ray Bitar spent player funds last year on advertisting. This was apparently common practice.

Lol and the Benyamine stuff is hilarious

 

[RamdeeBen]

it's all Fake, do you think FTP would still be on his twitter page, if he was filing a law suit on FTP.
Did not FTP get him into a WSOP event??
I am with OzExorcist and WVH....

Just because he hasn't removed them from twitter or anything doesn't suggest it's fake. Phil is the sort of person who doesn't really both in general with twitter.

Besides which, it's on his offical facebook page along with his OFFICAL philivey.com website.

 

[olliejjc16]

As a European player, I just want to get this straight.. Ivey is suing Full Tilt because they aren't paying U.S players the money they had on their site, and as a result Ivey's reputation is damaged as a member of Full Tilt due to Full Tilts lack of co-operation with the public?

 

[Poker Orifice]

re: lawsuit
Does anyone on here even have any idea as to what Ivey's business arrangement with FTP is? If not, than I'd assume it's all specualtion as to what the suite would be about. (wasn't Clonie Gowen suing for $40mil a couple yrs. back? .... were people assuming that some of the FTP pros own a % of the co.? I wonder what Ivey's investment is?)

 

[baudib1]

Nick Rainey claims that Ivey wasn't ownership but was paid like he was, whatever that means. Rainey is admittedly not the most trustworthy source.

 

[jolubman]

Right on! It's good to hear some one speaking up for us US players.

 

[jazzaxe]

I applaud Ivey for his integrity. Full Tilt should come clean and admit how much the players accounts are in deficit. If they are 50 per cent funded, they should pay out 50 per cent to the frozen out players. All I want is my money, they can take my 4000 ftp points and stick them where the sun doesn't shine. I tweeted before that I am now refering to them as Half Tilt Poker.

 

[gefishy]

Here I had typed out a nice long reply that didn't post...

Oh well. Phil Ivey should just cut sponsorship ties. It would undermine Full Tilt as a major player while getting his angry message out more effectively.

 

[baudib1]

Um, his message got out pretty effectively.

 

[kidkvno1]

re: lawsuit
Does anyone on here even have any idea as to what Ivey's business arrangement with FTP is? If not, than I'd assume it's all specualtion as to what the suite would be about. (wasn't Clonie Gowen suing for $40mil a couple yrs. back? .... were people assuming that some of the FTP pros own a % of the co.? I wonder what Ivey's investment is?)

yep but no new info came out on it https://www.cardschat.com/forum/gen...clonie-gowens-ftp-law-suit-134233/index2.html

 

[Extreme Fishing]

Big slap in the face for FT!