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Leatherass
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Leatherass
DTB Coach
Silver Level
#612
Here is that cocktail:
BOA 405. Vodka, fresh strawberry, fresh lemon sour, simple syrup, balsamic vinaigrette, cracked black pepper.
WVHillbilly
Legend
Silver Level
What do you think about the 10 Stars accounts that were recently closed for being bots (Short stackers playing from 25nl thru 200nl)? How big of an issue do you think botting is for the future of online poker? What's your feeling on the fact that PTR seemingly had to out the accounts before Stars acted to shut them down?
Link to the CC thread with relevant links to 2p2 and PTR if you're unfamiliar with the story (I doubt it but just in case): https://www.cardschat.com/forum/poker-rooms-10/pokerstars-nl-bots-identified-179918/
Link to the CC thread with relevant links to 2p2 and PTR if you're unfamiliar with the story (I doubt it but just in case): https://www.cardschat.com/forum/poker-rooms-10/pokerstars-nl-bots-identified-179918/
bullishwwd
Legend
Loyaler
OK Dusty, some additional info before you say "not enough".
The following is my way so critique my way of playing the FullTilt Rush Cash game:
1. SLOW down and don't rush...think thru each hand.
2. FOLD all out of position marginal hands.
3. Play all strong hands with a raise or re-raise.
4. From the button, raise with even marginal hands if all folded to you.
5. If opponents are raising before you, FOLD all marginal hands, even if on the button.
6. If you think you are behind after the flop, FOLD...do not chase straights or flushes, generally.
7. Never call an "all-in" or a big raise without the absolute nuts (after the flop). Before flop, only call with AA or KK.
8. Don't let draws become expensive.
9. Do not underestimate opponents ability to bluff, but realize that most of the time they are not bluffing...have courage to fold.
10. Do not get "married" to any hand unless the absolute nuts.
Appreciate your feedback, Wally
Debi
Forum Admin
Administrator
Perfect timing! I bought a blender today and plan on making some next weekend for guests.
dg1267
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
I'm with Dusty on this one. I don't care what you call it or how you want to perceive it, if it makes me money, that's what I'm doing. I don't play poker to make friends, I play it to make money.
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bRiMaTiOn
Enthusiast
Silver Level
What's your stats:
Cardplayer of the Year ranking?
poker site Tournament ranking?
Amount of wsop Bracelets or Final Tables?
WPT Final Tables or Titles?
Do you use pot odds in tournaments? How?
Cardplayer of the Year ranking?
poker site Tournament ranking?
Amount of wsop Bracelets or Final Tables?
WPT Final Tables or Titles?
Do you use pot odds in tournaments? How?
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Leatherass
DTB Coach
Silver Level
#628
I think botting will always be something that the poker rooms have to battle. I'd imagine it is not an easy task to try and stay on top of all of the millions of poker accounts out there, but I'm sure Stars is working hard to do the best they can do.
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Leatherass
DTB Coach
Silver Level
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DTB Coach
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Awesome! Hope you had fun!
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Leatherass
DTB Coach
Silver Level
#634
I am primarily a cash game player so I am not ranked high on any of the lists. I had a $19k cash at the WSOP, but that is about all I can hang my hat on.
pot odds are something every poker is constantly concerned with, although most of these concerns are on a more intuitive level.
Sean Pilgrim
Legend
Silver Level
I fixed your post for you Dusty. lol
BelgoSuisse
Legend
Silver Level
Wouldn't it be more efficient, more realistic and more fun to just ban the game type that make it easy for the cheaters? I'm speaking specifically about two things
- Shortstacking NL games. It's reasonably easy to design a bot that wins playing 20bb poker at 100bb+ tables, so there will always be bots at tables where you allow shortstacking
- Double or Nothing SNGs. Because of the vast difference between cEV and $EV, collusion through either chip dumping or soft playing is very +$EV and therefore there's a huge incentive to create collusion rings as the Chinese colluders scandal recently demonstrated.
pokerstars is being severely affected by these issues and while it's probably doing its best to catch the cheaters, it's proving quite inefficient at it since those cheaters were allowed to play for a long time before discovery and were often discovered by PTR or other players and not by PS security.
You will notice that both games types do not exist (anymore or ever) at full tilt poker, their main competitor. Isn't FTP's approach a lot better here?
bullishwwd
Legend
Loyaler
Cash Game Play
Dusty, I play mostly MTT and SnGs but I want to play Cash Games better. Here is the basic way I play cash games...any specific comments or suggestions welcomed on the way I go about it. thx, Wally
1. I try and SLOW down and think thru each hand better.
2. I automatically FOLD all out of position marginal hands.
3. Play all strong hands with a raise or re-raise and I play suited connectors the same way.
4. From the button, I raise with even marginal hands if all hands are folded to me.
5. If opponents are raising before me, I FOLD all marginal hands, even if on the button.
6. If I think I am behind after the flop, I FOLD...and, I do not chase straights or flushes, generally.
7. Never call an "all-in" or a big raise without the absolute nuts (after the flop). Before flop, I only call with AA or KK or QQ.
8. Don't let draws become expensive.
9. Do not underestimate opponents ability to bluff, but realize that most of the time they are not bluffing...have courage to fold.
10. Do not get "married" to any specific hand unless I have the absolute nuts.
Dusty, I appreciate your feedback, Wally
Dusty, I play mostly MTT and SnGs but I want to play Cash Games better. Here is the basic way I play cash games...any specific comments or suggestions welcomed on the way I go about it. thx, Wally
1. I try and SLOW down and think thru each hand better.
2. I automatically FOLD all out of position marginal hands.
3. Play all strong hands with a raise or re-raise and I play suited connectors the same way.
4. From the button, I raise with even marginal hands if all hands are folded to me.
5. If opponents are raising before me, I FOLD all marginal hands, even if on the button.
6. If I think I am behind after the flop, I FOLD...and, I do not chase straights or flushes, generally.
7. Never call an "all-in" or a big raise without the absolute nuts (after the flop). Before flop, I only call with AA or KK or QQ.
8. Don't let draws become expensive.
9. Do not underestimate opponents ability to bluff, but realize that most of the time they are not bluffing...have courage to fold.
10. Do not get "married" to any specific hand unless I have the absolute nuts.
Dusty, I appreciate your feedback, Wally
Poker Orifice
And Still...
Platinum Level
Can I answer this one?
Ok.. I will anyways. Answer: 'rigged obv.' Perhaps you might want to consider moving your question to another thread? (maybe this one here > https://www.cardschat.com/forum/pok...igged-megathread-all-rigged-roads-lead-70058/ )
Sean Pilgrim
Legend
Silver Level
If you flip a coin the chances are that it will be heads 50% of the time and tails the other 50% of the time. But you could still technically flip a coin 100 times and it can land on tails 100 times. 80% favorite is just a percentage, a chance to win. When you look at your %'s as a whole, the math involved behind it falls under (read very carefully) "Probability and Statistics". Nothing is guaranteed.
If you have
on the button the flop comes .Your opponent in the BB raises, you re-raise, he shoves, of course you're going to call. When you see that you are up against
(two pair), you are still a favorite to win, At first you need to dodge 2 remaining queens and 2 remaining jacks
If the turn comes as the
, you need to dodge 9 cards that will complete your opponents flush + the 2 Queen's and 2 Jack's.On the turn, all your equity from going all in on the flop has gone from a 60/40 to a small small marginal gain (i believe) nearly a coin flip for the river, your hand cannot improve at this point but your opponent's hand can.
At the end of the turn I think you are around a 53/47 favorite, which isn't a huge edge.
All you can do is say "I got it in with the best, variance will sort itself out later."
Poker Orifice
And Still...
Platinum Level
Actually, you're a 70/30 fav. here on the turn SeanP (on the flop you're nearly ahead ~80/20). Point taken though.. hopefully.... maybe...
Sean Pilgrim
Legend
Silver Level
Hmm... I thought that would be a coin flip situation there. Thanks for clarifying. I didn't know there was still that much of an edge (70/30) with opponent's flush draw and full house draw.
Anyway that hand is a hand that took a buy-in off of me at Caesar's when I was in Vegas. I guess I'm trying to justify losing to a back door flush lol.
Anyway that hand is a hand that took a buy-in off of me at Caesar's when I was in Vegas. I guess I'm trying to justify losing to a back door flush lol.
dmorris68
Legend
Loyaler
By the 2x approximation rule, 9 flush outs + plus 4 boat outs = 13 outs total. 2 x 13 = ~26% (it's usually a tad higher) so 70/30 on the turn is about right on.
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Leatherass
DTB Coach
Silver Level
#641
I just did a survey at Poker Stars asking me all about this stuff. Stars seems to really be on top of this issue and I'd imagine it is a top priority for them to make sure bots are not a part of their poker room. I think you will see some major changes/announcements over the next 12 months in regards to your concerns here.
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Leatherass
DTB Coach
Silver Level
#642
Wally,
These are some good guidelines, but these rules will not apply at stakes higher than about .10/.25 cent online. Since games continue to become more and more aggressive, you can't play passively and fold to aggression too often and expect to make any money. I suppose you could only be a small loser with this style of play since you certainly won't find yourself getting the money in behind too often, but at the same time your opponents will win so many small to medium sized pots off of you that there will just be no way to show a profit.
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