yea in hindsight i guess i didn't have enough reads on button to open K9s there (KTs i think is the weakest suited king i should open here). yea river more reads would have been nice.
i'm starting to think i should only be triple barrel bluffing when i actually have solid reads on the player type i'm up against, pretty much regardless of the board runout. do you think i should ever be tripling vs unknowns at the micros?
I'm starting to get into the mindset of on the flop of how can I win the hand, rather than just fit and folding, especially in 3 bet pots. I checkraised as this flop misses his AK hands and if he doesn't have a spade he might fold.
I'm pretty sure leading out is fruitless on the flop
Its a plan but i think this villain is too tight and too likely to have a premium hand to go away on the flop. He did have 0% wtsd not that I noticed this in play. So a flush card arrives and I rep it and shove as I don't think there is any other way to win. If he is sitting with KK/QQ no spade it isn't an easy call. If the spade doesn't arrive on the turn im toast and giving up.
I'm starting to get into the mindset of on the flop of how can I win the hand, rather than just fit and folding, especially in 3 bet pots. I checkraised as this flop misses his AK hands and if he doesn't have a spade he might fold.
I'm pretty sure leading out is fruitless on the flop
Its a plan but i think this villain is too tight and too likely to have a premium hand to go away on the flop. He did have 0% wtsd not that I noticed this in play. So a flush card arrives and I rep it and shove as I don't think there is any other way to win. If he is sitting with KK/QQ no spade it isn't an easy call. If the spade doesn't arrive on the turn im toast and giving up.
i mean you don't rep much other than flush draws and air (unless you play QQ and JJ this way?). i mean you shouldn't have sets on this board given you called a 3bet OOP both in early positions. so you only fold out his AK basically.
also you're trying to bluff a very nitty looking player who 3bet your UTG open from a fairly early position. seems like suicide, given how narrow his range is.
as for your choice of hand to bluff with, i like to have some outs when called. if i were to bluff i'd rather have a hand like AK with the ace of spades, since then i can catch any A, K or spade to barrel on. 77 i suppose isn't the worst example since you do have a backdoor straight draw here but your backdoor flush draw is very weak and might not be live. i cringe when i see people make "info raises" with mid pairs, since they often have only 2 outs when called as they will only get called by better hands a lot of the time.
i mean you don't rep much other than flush draws and air (unless you play QQ and JJ this way?). i mean you shouldn't have sets on this board given you called a 3bet OOP both in early positions. so you only fold out his AK basically.
also you're trying to bluff a very nitty looking player who 3bet your UTG open from a fairly early position. seems like suicide, given how narrow his range is.
as for your choice of hand to bluff with, i like to have some outs when called. if i were to bluff i'd rather have a hand like AK with the ace of spades, since then i can catch any A, K or spade to barrel on. 77 i suppose isn't the worst example since you do have a backdoor straight draw here but your backdoor flush draw is very weak and might not be live. i cringe when i see people make "info raises" with mid pairs, since they often have only 2 outs when called as they will only get called by better hands a lot of the time.
I agree with everything you say buddy this was a fold preflop and a mistake to continue. I guess I just missed how nitty he was when I called pre. Multi-tabling error again.
yea in hindsight i guess i didn't have enough reads on button to open K9s there (KTs i think is the weakest suited king i should open here). yea river more reads would have been nice.
i'm starting to think i should only be triple barrel bluffing when i actually have solid reads on the player type i'm up against, pretty much regardless of the board runout. do you think i should ever be tripling vs unknowns at the micros?
I'd avoid it simply because people find a reason to call at the micros. I'm not saying to never do it. But I'd keep it to a very small portion of situations.
As you move up, and you kind of know what to expect from most of the regulars and weak players at those stakes, you can find a few more spots to do it that will be profitable.
By the way, I didn't realize it until today, but HM has the Leak Buster Hitman HUD for 6-max cash games up in their repository for download. They don't have much info on it, but you can get it for free right from here:
2 folds, CO raises to $0.50, BTN folds, SB calls $0.40, Hero calls $0.25
Flop: ($1.50) A
6
T
(3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.71, CO raises to $4.42, SB folds, Hero calls $3.71
Turn: ($10.34) 3
(2 players)
with the arrival of another flush draw i didn't fancy giving him a free card and i think im ahead anyway. Hero bets $7.40, CO raises to $20.55, Hero calls $12.68 and is all-in
turn i think it's close between calling and raising. i think i marginally prefer calling given we don't wanna get 3bet off our equity if we raise, plus we can still bluff rivers when checked to. without the flush draw i would raise turn though. river i think check back, villain could well have an overpair and don't know if he's folding it. also we pick up a little bit of showdown value in case villain has some A4 of hearts type hand. i like to bluff on the river with hands that have no showdown value.
John, in leakbuster it suggests that overall 9-14% PFR is optimal for 6max. mine is 17% and it gives it F grade identifying it as a big leak. can this really be accurate? 9-14% PFR seems super nitty for 6max, i thought 17% PFR was on the low side compared to other regs i know
John, in leakbuster it suggests that overall 9-14% PFR is optimal for 6max. mine is 17% and it gives it F grade identifying it as a big leak. can this really be accurate? 9-14% PFR seems super nitty for 6max, i thought 17% PFR was on the low side compared to other regs i know
John, in leakbuster it suggests that overall 9-14% PFR is optimal for 6max. mine is 17% and it gives it F grade identifying it as a big leak. can this really be accurate? 9-14% PFR seems super nitty for 6max, i thought 17% PFR was on the low side compared to other regs i know
One of the reasons I posted this hand was that it was such a difficult one to read. His preflop min raise doesn't tell me much but I tend to find such raises bvb are polarised to either very strong hands looking for action or weak hands just looking for an easy steal. His double barrel and call of the turn raise clearly means he has a good piece of the hand. It is difficult to tell if he has an overpair or just some junk that has connected with the board. I think a shove should get hands ti fold like an overpair and 87, 75, 54 if they had choosen to continue ott, but nothing stronger, he could easily have a 6 for trips a straight or a boat and I wouldn't fold those hands here in his shoes.
Normally in a spot like this where he has shown significant strength throughout the hand I prefer not to bluff. He has indicated a hand throughout and I think there is too much chance of a made hand here. If i bet anything on the end it's pot committing so it was a straight choice between a shove and a check behind.
This is the sort of point where I could use some help with the maths to see if a shove is +EV
I was being sweated during this hand and my watcher was as stuck as I was.
In the end I considered I could still tie with 78 and beat 75 54 so I checked behind and he had 34 for a made straight on the turn and in the absence of a flush he was clearly looking to check raise on the end.
Maybe in hindsight with his wide steal range a 3 bet preflop or raise on the flop might have been a better way to define his range.
One of the reasons I posted this hand was that it was such a difficult one to read. His preflop min raise doesn't tell me much but I tend to find such raises bvb are polarised to either very strong hands looking for action or weak hands just looking for an easy steal. His double barrel and call of the turn raise clearly means he has a good piece of the hand. It is difficult to tell if he has an overpair or just some junk that has connected with the board. I think a shove should get hands ti fold like an overpair and 87, 75, 54 if they had choosen to continue ott, but nothing stronger, he could easily have a 6 for trips a straight or a boat and I wouldn't fold those hands here in his shoes.
Normally in a spot like this where he has shown significant strength throughout the hand I prefer not to bluff. He has indicated a hand throughout and I think there is too much chance of a made hand here. If i bet anything on the end it's pot committing so it was a straight choice between a shove and a check behind.
This is the sort of point where I could use some help with the maths to see if a shove is +EV
I was being sweated during this hand and my watcher was as stuck as I was.
In the end I considered I could still tie with 78 and beat 75 54 so I checked behind and he had 34 for a made straight on the turn and in the absence of a flush he was clearly looking to check raise on the end.
Maybe in hindsight with his wide steal range a 3 bet preflop or raise on the flop might have been a better way to define his range.
I think we could break down the math of the combos and what would fold out, but I really don't think it's too close. There's just way more combos of hands that beat you that won't fold. There's really not many hands that will fold to a shove after the call of the turn raise. That's why I asked you the question to begin with. What did you expect him to fold, and I guess the answer is a split.
That's good that you're thinking through these spots, so keep it going!
First hand (vs unknown) i've seen a lot of these random flop all-in overbets and they tend to be weighted more towards air and draws from what i've seen, very rarely is it nutted hands. do you think my high variance call was still +EV vs his range with top pair ok kicker? If no, then what would you do with AK here?
This next one's interesting, reg has high barreling frequencies on flop (7/10) and turn (2/2). when he barrels turn i think his range is wider than 7x, and also he probably has to fold most non 7x hands to a raise. when he called my turn raise, again i thought he didn't always have 7x and could be being stubborn with a worse hand, so i thought maybe if i followed through on the river i could get him off it? oh i was so wrong...
This final hand i made a somewhat loose open with A3s because it looked like there were a couple of fishy players and it didn't look like anyone was 3betting a lot. i checked flop (and turn) to balance my checking range vs a reg with fairly high aggression over this small sample, also because i knew my hand wasn't strong enough to go for 3 streets of value. When he bets so big on flop on turn he's basically only repping KQ, or possibly 89s that made a straight. i think he would bet all his Ax and sets on the flop. and my range is very capped so i thought he could be turning pairs into bluffs or have busted flush draw or something. do you think my call is +EV?
Hand 1. we only have a few bb invested here. The absolute weakest Id go with would be AK. Id be making a key note on this villain for the future.
Hand 2. I would make the turn bet quite a bit larger, as played he only has to call 11 into a pot of 43...4-1 odds who is going away to those odds.?
The river bluff is also looks too small. He doesn't have to be right very often to call that sizing. Personally I would have given up after the turn raise as there is just too much chance he has the 7. Its not like we can put him on an overpair.
Hand 3 you are checking for balance at 10nl against a guy with whom you have 65 hands ?? I wouldn't bother at these stakes it's just giving free cards to beat you. After your two checks id be attempting to steal on the turn with any holding . As played you have so little information on his hand because of the checks we are basically calling in the dark. I think you made it more difficult for yourself than it should have been.
Hand 1. we only have a few bb invested here. The absolute weakest Id go with would be AK. Id be making a key note on this villain for the future.
Hand 2. I would make the turn bet quite a bit larger, as played he only has to call 11 into a pot of 43...4-1 odds who is going away to those odds.?
The river bluff is also looks too small. He doesn't have to be right very often to call that sizing. Personally I would have given up after the turn raise as there is just too much chance he has the 7. Its not like we can put him on an overpair.
Hand 3 you are checking for balance at 10nl against a guy with whom you have 65 hands ?? I wouldn't bother at these stakes it's just giving free cards to beat you. After your two checks id be attempting to steal on the turn with any holding . As played you have so little information on his hand because of the checks we are basically calling in the dark. I think you made it more difficult for yourself than it should have been.
thanks figaroo, i do agree with most of your advice in hindsight. only thing i'm not sure i agree with is the third hand, i think flop we pretty much have to check our top pair weak kicker on the flop vs any reasonably competent player. we're never gonna get more than two streets with this hand anyway so we might as well include it in our checking range vs this reg. and yea we do give him a free card but he doesn't have that many outs, but thing is a lot of villains are just gonna be stabbing their entire range when checked to in position as the preflop caller, so we get decent value from their stabs, probably more value than the few worse hands (Tx, JJ) that might call one bet.
i do agree however that my turn check was unnecessary, i probably should have just started betting after flop checks through. and river i think although my range is capped i should have folded, i kinda leveled myself a bit there. i talked to a 25nl reg friend and he said that he shouldn't have that many bluffs in his range. and also most regs aren't exploiting capped ranges that much at 10nl is another point he made.
