Polished Poker Vol. I Study Group

[or3o1990]

I wanted to see how different each of these hands really were so I ran the equities.

QQ:

against a balanced 3betting range TT, JJ, KK+, AQs+, AQ+,A2-A5s,89s,9 10s and J 10s it gives us nearly 69%

10 10:

against the balanced range it gives us 57% now

9 9:

on the flop it now gives us 51% and I was surprised to see it increased to 56% with a 10 on the turn.

If the villains are only 3betting their value hands, 10 10+, AQs+, AQo+ our equity drops but not as terribly as I'd expected. Down to around 45% on the flop with your 99 and my 10 10. Jacks are only 48% So this is all still profitable against these villains but barely. The queens are the tipping point it seems. Our equity jumps to 58% on the flop.

 

[Figaroo2]

I'm still working on my goals.
Its is going to be a big year for me with a huge inflection point in September as I change careers.
This was interesting and on topic
http://jaredtendlerpoker.com/blog/goals-2016/

 

[or3o1990]

I've been looking for spots to c/r bluff. I'm looking for opponents who aren't folding to cbets or are looking to steal pots in position, preferably when I have backdoor draws. Input?

PokerStars - $2 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: 86.75 BB (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 24)
MP+1: 147.03 BB (VPIP: 17.58, PFR: 10.99, 3Bet Preflop: 5.71, Hands: 91)
MP+2: 208.93 BB (VPIP: 45.36, PFR: 8.25, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 97)
CO: 100.9 BB (VPIP: 8.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
BTN: 128.33 BB (VPIP: 10.53, PFR: 1.75, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 57)
SB: 49.13 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 27)
Hero (BB): 168.05 BB
UTG: 153.35 BB (VPIP: 20.24, PFR: 9.52, 3Bet Preflop: 3.33, Hands: 84)
UTG+1: 151.66 BB (VPIP: 17.98, PFR: 11.24, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 90)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 5♣ 8♣

fold, fold, MP calls 1 BB, fold, MP+2 calls 1 BB, fold, fold, SB calls 0.5 BB, Hero checks

Flop: (4 BB, 4 players) 3♣ 9♥ 2♠
SB checks, Hero checks, MP checks, MP+2 bets 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 10 BB, fold, MP+2 calls 7 BB

Turn: (24 BB, 2 players) 2♦
Hero bets 12.5 BB, fold

Hero wins 22.8 BB



PokerStars - $2 NL - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 74.5 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 18.52, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 27)
Hero (UTG): 108.18 BB
UTG+1: 207.9 BB (VPIP: 18.64, PFR: 14.41, 3Bet Preflop: 2.44, Hands: 118)
MP: 205.5 BB (VPIP: 75.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
CO: 149.08 BB (VPIP: 17.24, PFR: 6.90, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 58)
BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
SB: 29 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 2♥ 2♣

Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, MP calls 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (9.5 BB, 3 players) T♠ 4♣ 4♦
BB checks, Hero checks, MP bets 4.5 BB, fold, Hero raises to 19 BB, MP calls 14.5 BB

Turn: (47.5 BB, 2 players) 8♦
Hero bets 24.75 BB, fold

Hero wins 46 BB

 

[John A]

99 hand above I folded on the turn although looking back no with aggression of 47% should have called at least another one.

JJ hand maybe thinking about hand before had something to do with it. When they led $2 on turn I shoved $7.98 into $6.19. Do you think its better to flat the $2 I always worry about Ace or King or Queen hitting on River and they shove what do you do then.

Is it OK to call the $2 and if A, K or Q hit river and they fired $4 or $5 into pot of $8 do you call.

If they fire 3 here at these stakes I'd fold w/o a decent hand in general. Unless you really know they are on tilt or being overly aggressive. I think you'll save more money than trying to make hero calls against them.

 

[John A]

I wanted to see how different each of these hands really were so I ran the equities.

QQ:

against a balanced 3betting range TT, JJ, KK+, AQs+, AQ+,A2-A5s,89s,9 10s and J 10s it gives us nearly 69%

10 10:

against the balanced range it gives us 57% now

9 9:

on the flop it now gives us 51% and I was surprised to see it increased to 56% with a 10 on the turn.

If the villains are only 3betting their value hands, 10 10+, AQs+, AQo+ our equity drops but not as terribly as I'd expected. Down to around 45% on the flop with your 99 and my 10 10. Jacks are only 48% So this is all still profitable against these villains but barely. The queens are the tipping point it seems. Our equity jumps to 58% on the flop.

Your equity is going to increase on the turn against that same range when a T drops because there's only one card to come.

 

[rhombus]

If they fire 3 here at these stakes I'd fold w/o a decent hand in general. Unless you really know they are on tilt or being overly aggressive. I think you'll save more money than trying to make hero calls against them.

Ok thanks, when I shoved they called and had AA.

I imagine someone with a massive database at the micros it would show alot of the time unless maniacs the third barrel is going to be big overpairs AA KK maybe 50% probably more if no draws are present.
30% two overs with a flush draw/straight draw and maybe 20% barrelling their draw and firing third barrel bluff when everything misses.

So in single raised pots where SPR is going to be around 10 - 15, get out earlier maybe Turn but in 3Bet pots where SPR is 4-5 then is it best to just raise over their turn bet if you still have overpair unless they are a NIT or its very coordinated

 

[or3o1990]

Your equity is going to increase on the turn against that same range when a T drops because there's only one card to come.

It totally makes sense but my instincts leaned the other way. I obviously haven't spent enough time playing with the equity calculator haha.

I'm still working on my goals.
Its is going to be a big year for me with a huge inflection point in September as I change careers.
This was interesting and on topic
http://jaredtendlerpoker.com/blog/goals-2016/

That was definitely a good podcast! I'm so guilty of being that guy. I've been falling short of my goals the past few months (I usually set them to what I think is just barely out of reach) and I need to work on that. I like that idea of having A B and C goals. I'm going to reformat my goals and then come up with the first steps as John suggested

 

[rhombus]

1st goal which shouldnt be too difficult and beat last years winnings

 

[Figaroo2]

Goals

Rhom
I sorry to see you aren't doing better, especially with the background knowledge and understanding you have of this game.
You must have some sort of block in your game which we need to help you iron out. I remember you posted your stats and we picked up a high WTSD, is that still the case? What is leakbuster saying?

Although I can post some cash game winnings they were half of what I won in 2014 and this year I played nearly 50% more volume. My goal for2014 which was to win $3K so a big fail.
With $844 I also won only about a 3rd of my 2014 tournament winnings but I'm not overly concerned about that as I didn't set any tournament goals.

My confidence is gone at the moment but it has been very fragile for 6 months now and as a result I do not know what to focus on or what goals to set. I'm starting to seriously doubt that I'm going to be able to move up the stakes, something that was unthinkable a year ago.

I have a block and it is aggression and when I try to play more aggressively it just all goes horribly wrong.
3 barreling is one of my critical leaks yet I hardly ever do it! Except where I have 3/4bet pre and cant seem to fold. No surprise check call 3 streets is my biggest leak.

I might even stop playing for a while and concentrate on my health and fitness a bit more. Poker definitely isn't good for my waistline.
So here are some stats for cash and tourneys for last year and my critical leaks.

 

[No Brainer]

Got a couple of hands to check out with you guys. One thing I am not too sure on at the moment is c bet sizing in 3 and 4 bet pots.

1) We have to give up once he calls flop right? Is c betting this board fine since AK is such a large part of my range? Though against a fish that is only playing his cards and not our range this could be bad because the Ace hits a large part of his range? Though I don't like checking flop and folding to a turn bet with no more information so maybe against a fish our cbet can be quite small as almost any bet will get them off their hand if they have missed?

poker stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $10.05 (100.5 bb)
BB: $16.16 (161.6 bb)
Hero (MP): $10.22 (102.2 bb)
CO: $28.20 (282 bb)
BTN: $40.96 (409.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K

K

Hero raises to $0.30, 3 folds, BB raises to $1, Hero raises to $2.40, BB calls $1.40

Flop: ($4.85) 5

A

4

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2.80, BB calls $2.80

Turn: ($10.45) 9

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($10.45) 6

(2 players)
BB bets $5.10, Hero folds

Results: $10.45 pot ($0.47 rake)
Final Board: 5

A

4

9

6

BB mucked and won $9.98 ($4.78 net)
Hero mucked K

K

and lost (-$5.20 net)

2) I think double barrelling was bad here on such a dry board but apart from that, do you bet this river for value?

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $13.68 (136.8 bb)
Hero (BB): $10.22 (102.2 bb)
UTG: $11.45 (114.5 bb)
MP: $14.24 (142.4 bb)
CO: $10.66 (106.6 bb)
BTN: $10 (100 bb) 27/23/9 23 Hands

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7

A

3 folds, BTN raises to $0.20, SB folds, Hero raises to $0.75, BTN calls $0.55

Flop: ($1.55) 3

2

Q

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.95, BTN calls $0.95

Turn: ($3.45) 2

(2 players)
Hero bets $2.10, BTN calls $2.10

River: ($7.65) A

(2 players)
Hero??

3) Not sure about the flop raise size on this one, do we make it smaller to shove the turn or just shove here on the flop? Also would you be calling the 3bet with TT in this spot?

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $10.05 (100.5 bb)
BB: $13.73 (137.3 bb) 30/19/3 136 Hands
Hero (UTG): $10 (100 bb)
MP: $10.19 (101.9 bb)
CO: $15.82 (158.2 bb) 20/14/8 110 Hands
BTN: $10.27 (102.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with T

T

Hero raises to $0.30, MP folds, CO calls $0.30, 2 folds, BB raises to $1, Hero calls $0.70, CO calls $0.70

Flop: ($3.05) 8

8

4

(3 players)
BB bets $1.90, Hero raises to $4.70


4) Do you raise the flop here to get stacks in? Also I think my bet on the river is pretty horrible as the only hearts in his range are above a J and even if he had something lower I don't think he calls it... I was kind of stuck at the time as to whether I should check or bet and confused myself I think...

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $10 (100 bb)
BB: $11.80 (118 bb) 35/13/4 52 Hands
UTG: $7.27 (72.7 bb)
Hero (MP): $15.30 (153 bb)
CO: $20.09 (200.9 bb)
BTN: $10.74 (107.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP with J

J

UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.30, 3 folds, BB raises to $0.95, Hero calls $0.65

Flop: ($1.95) 4

T

6

(2 players)
BB bets $1.46, Hero calls $1.46

Turn: ($4.87) 5

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2.45, BB calls $2.45

River: ($9.77) 2

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $3, BB folds

Results: $9.77 pot ($0.44 rake)
Final Board: 4

T

6

5

2

BB mucked and lost (-$4.86 net)
Hero mucked J

J

and won $9.33 ($4.47 net)

5) To finish up here's a really weird hand I played today and a 150bb cooler. Is my bet sizing in this one ok? also there is no way we can fold the river right?

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 4 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $7.83 (78.3 bb)
Hero (BB): $18.71 (187.1 bb)
CO: $11.75 (117.5 bb) 31/12/3 80 Hands
BTN: $11.53 (115.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 6

6

CO raises to $0.35, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.25

Flop: ($0.75) 9

3

4

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $0.72, Hero calls $0.72

Turn: ($2.19) 5

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $10.68 and is all-in, Hero calls $10.68

River: ($23.55) 7

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $23.55 pot ($1.00 rake)
Final Board: 9

3

4

5

7

Hero showed 6

6

and won $22.55 ($10.80 net)
CO showed A

3

and lost (-$11.75 net)



Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $10.51 (105.1 bb)
BB: $15.53 (155.3 bb)
Hero (MP): $25.29 (252.9 bb)
CO: $10.15 (101.5 bb)
BTN: $10.18 (101.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 9

7

Hero raises to $0.30, CO calls $0.30, 2 folds, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.95) J

T

8

(3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.60, CO calls $0.60, BB raises to $1.30, Hero raises to $4.10, CO folds, BB calls $2.80

Turn: ($9.75) K

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $4.35, BB calls $4.35

River: ($18.45) 6

(2 players)
BB bets $6.78, Hero calls $6.78

Results: $32.01 pot ($1.44 rake)
Final Board: J

T

8

K

6

BB showed 9

K

and won $30.57 ($15.04 net)
Hero showed 9

7

and lost (-$15.53 net)

 

[Figaroo2]

KK
I prefer to check with the ace on the board and call one bet. If he fires twice without an ace then good luck to him. Checking allows you to induce bets from worse hands. If we cbet we get calls from all aces and maybe only QQ JJ. Once we then check the turn we are saying we don't like the Ace or at best we don't like our kicker and an astute player with QQ can take you off your hand from in position with a value looking bet on the rIver.

A7
Yes I'm betting 25-35% on the river to get value from Qx and folding to a raise.

TT
Yes I'm calling pre in position we are ahead of AK.
Personally I'm not raising on the flop as I'm only getting called by better and not folding out worse other than maybe JJ. He is raising against an utg opening so we should be against a pretty strong range. I'm only continuing to call If he's aggressive enough to double barrel AK unimproved or I have some idea of his bluffing tendencies.

JJ
Not dissimilar to the TT but here we have the comfort of the FD this hand may be better to raise on the flop because worse hands with either the Ah or Kh are calling here. Still my way is to call so as not to bloat the pot when I am behind . As he 3bet we are still behind here a good amount of the time.

66
Interesting call with the oesd personally I'm folding. Often this will be a value shove. If he wants to bluff smaller sizings get it done just as well.

97
I'm betting much bigger on the turn 80% pot minimum our hand is vulnerable to a paired board on the end or the flush draw coming in so make them pay big to draw.

 

[or3o1990]

No Brainer

1) I don't like checking with KK on the A high flop because it really opens up your opponents bluffing range. Then you have to play check guess, no fun. I think you played it fine but it really depends on your opponent. Not a lot of people are folding QQ to one bet so it depends on if you think your opponent is capable of bluffing you on the river or not because once you check turn our hand is pretty face up.

2) I don't like the 3bet personally. I perfer suited wheel aces to the middling aces like A7 because only a couple better aces often fold. I guess it depends on your opponent again but I also don't think any worse aces are often calling. It is a bad card to double on but can also make your hand be percieved as very strong because of that. You might as well go for value on the river but because you bet bet already I wouldn't bet so big that a Q can't call.

3) I don't like calling the 3bets with 99-JJ but we certainly can't be folding. But on the flop the only hand that's getting stacks in that you beat is 99 and they probably aren't even going to do that because there are still five better pairs. There are no draws so theres not a ton to be worried about here, Id just call the flop and again on every turn unless his sizing is really sketchy and then decide on the river. Not many people are capable of 3barreling with air and by raising the flop I think your just pushing out all of the hands that you beat and getting stacked by the rest if you GII.

4) This one is complicated from my pov but I think that with that flop it's going to be tough to get a lot of money in from much worse hands and the only hands that really want to GII that are better hearts and they have a lot of equity against our hand still. I think you played it fine.

5) Granted you had the best hand but no way should you be calling that bet without some serious reads on your opponent. He's repping a monster that fears the flush or air but if he has at least one better club than us almost all of our outs are now dirty, no bueno. If you knew all of your outs were clean then it's profitable but close. But against a range this can't be good.

6) It sucks but I think you have to fold the river. What is raising the flop besides a flush draw? Maybe a set or overpair or straight draw but none of those are betting the river. I would have bombed the turn, we think he has a draw and we must make him pay through the nose with it! Bet like 7 dollars.

 

[rhombus]

Rhom
I sorry to see you aren't doing better, especially with the background knowledge and understanding you have of this game.
You must have some sort of block in your game which we need to help you iron out. I remember you posted your stats and we picked up a high WTSD, is that still the case? What is leakbuster saying?

Just ran Leakbuster for all NLHE zoom hands last year WTSD doesnt seem to be a problem on the general stats I scored A+ (27.55) on that one, Biggest leak was W$SD%.
7 critical leaks and 1 very important

 

[Figaroo2]

Just ran Leakbuster for all NLHE zoom hands last year WTSD doesnt seem to be a problem on the general stats I scored A+ (27.55) on that one, Biggest leak was W$SD%.
7 critical leaks and 1 very important

Hmm you have the preflop aggression where I don't and we both suffer from a lack of postflop aggression but you seem to be less able to let a hand go than me. Its good that your WTSD% is better and as a result I would have expected your W$SD% has gone up in response but it still seems you are getting to the river and calling a little too weak.
I suggest you take more time on the flop and form a more definitive plan for the hand on the flop. The flop is 5/7th of the hand complete, it's decision time, it is when we have to stop, examine our opponents stats, the board texture, stack sizes and decide what we are doing. Consider more what our implied odds are like if we chase and raise draws.
I'd be interested to know what your fold to cbet% on flop and turn is, I suspect they a little on the low side and you aren't folding enough prior to the river.
I suspect playing so much ZOOM is probably hurting you here in that everything is so fast you feel like you have to make a decision fast as well. This isn't the case...look at how long modern pros are tanking and figuring out how to play a hand from what they know of their opponents. I'm not saying tanking is great or necessary but if taking a little more time helps you make better decisions then do it. When I do play zoom as soon as I pick up a premium I press sit out next hand onn the other tables so i can give the hand my fullest attention.

One of the first things I check on the flop is how wide they are playing and how aggressive. If they are barrellers I will often fold middle or bottom pair on the flop especially if I have no backdoors. If they are one and done merchants or have low WTSD then stick around and try to take it away on turn and river. We have a hud for a reason, try to use it to the max.
Pardon if i'm wrong I seem to remember you saying you don't look much past vpip/pfr, maybe you need to rethink this.
For example you are calling over 40% of 3bets, I suggest a few more folds against villains with lower 3bet stats (less than 4%) might be in order, particularly oop, and perhaps a few more 4bets rather than flats against the 3bet monkeys.
GL bud.
I think I need to have the postflop guide charts you and John knocked up more readily to hand to keep up my aggression levels

 

[Figaroo2]

I've been looking for spots to c/r bluff. I'm looking for opponents who aren't folding to cbets or are looking to steal pots in position, preferably when I have backdoor draws. Input?

PokerStars - $2 NL - Holdem - 9 players
MP: 86.75 BB (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 24)
MP+2: 208.93 BB (VPIP: 45.36, PFR: 8.25, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 97)
SB: 49.13 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 27)
Hero (BB): 168.05 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 5♣ 8♣

fold, fold, MP calls 1 BB, fold, MP+2 calls 1 BB, fold, fold, SB calls 0.5 BB, Hero checks
Flop: (4 BB, 4 players) 3♣ 9♥ 2♠
SB checks, Hero checks, MP checks, MP+2 bets 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 10 BB, fold, MP+2 calls 7 BB
Turn: (24 BB, 2 players) 2♦
Hero bets 12.5 BB, fold
Hero wins 22.8 BB

PokerStars - $2 NL - Holdem - 7 players
BB: 74.5 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 18.52, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 27)
Hero (UTG): 108.18 BB
MP: 205.5 BB (VPIP: 75.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
CO: 149.08 BB (VPIP: 17.24, PFR: 6.90, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 58)
BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
SB: 29 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 2♥ 2♣
Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, MP calls 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, BB calls 2 BB
Flop: (9.5 BB, 3 players) T♠ 4♣ 4♦
BB checks, Hero checks, MP bets 4.5 BB, fold, Hero raises to 19 BB, MP calls 14.5 BB
Turn: (47.5 BB, 2 players) 8♦
Hero bets 24.75 BB, fold
Hero wins 46 BB

I like both of these hands, the players are fishy and weak and the boards are low and difficult to hit so both look like ideal spots to cr bluff, nicely played.

 

[rhombus]

Hmm you have the preflop aggression where I don't and we both suffer from a lack of postflop aggression but you seem to be less able to let a hand go than me. Its good that your WTSD% is better and as a result I would have expected your W$SD% has gone up in response but it still seems you are getting to the river and calling a little too weak.
I suggest you take more time on the flop and form a more definitive plan for the hand on the flop. The flop is 5/7th of the hand complete, it's decision time, it is when we have to stop, examine our opponents stats, the board texture, stack sizes and decide what we are doing. Consider more what our implied odds are like if we chase and raise draws.
I'd be interested to know what your fold to cbet% on flop and turn is, I suspect they a little on the low side and you aren't folding enough prior to the river.
I suspect playing so much ZOOM is probably hurting you here in that everything is so fast you feel like you have to make a decision fast as well. This isn't the case...look at how long modern pros are tanking and figuring out how to play a hand from what they know of their opponents. I'm not saying tanking is great or necessary but if taking a little more time helps you make better decisions then do it. When I do play zoom as soon as I pick up a premium I press sit out next hand onn the other tables so i can give the hand my fullest attention.

One of the first things I check on the flop is how wide they are playing and how aggressive. If they are barrellers I will often fold middle or bottom pair on the flop especially if I have no backdoors. If they are one and done merchants or have low WTSD then stick around and try to take it away on turn and river. We have a hud for a reason, try to use it to the max.
Pardon if i'm wrong I seem to remember you saying you don't look much past vpip/pfr, maybe you need to rethink this.
For example you are calling over 40% of 3bets, I suggest a few more folds against villains with lower 3bet stats (less than 4%) might be in order, particularly oop, and perhaps a few more 4bets rather than flats against the 3bet monkeys.
GL bud.
I think I need to have the postflop guide charts you and John knocked up more readily to hand to keep up my aggression levels

Thanks, really appreciate your time. Alot of useful stuff to work on, just need to incorporate it

In general stats I sorted by Grade and only posted ones B and worse

fold to cbet% on flop and turn is - below Flop Fold vs Cbet is 44.11 but didnt see the Fold to CBet% on turn. although might be in HUD itself and not in Leakbuster.

just checked under Plugging Leaks Overall and
Flop Fold vs CBET is 44.1 and Turn Fold vs CBET is 37.9 see below

I know Zoom doesnt help as at moment 3 tabling so dont get loads of time so yup VPIP/PFR AG% and occasionally 3Bet are key stats so def need to check others when determining plan on flop

 

[rhombus]

ps didnt help last year when I ran like %^&* which seems to continue. 2 biggest losing hands from tonight 90% and 80% fav. 1st hand went all in on flop they had JJ and spiked the J on turn. 2nd hand AIPF they had KK

 

[rhombus]

PS are any of you guys doing the CASH GAME QUESTS, 1st challenge you need to be dealt 88. Ive player 1200 hands had 67 pairs - Every pair except 88 lol Had 44 10 times.

 

[fishinthesea]

tricky spot vs fish

Villain has previously stacked me off with 93hearts when I had 3bet AQo.

***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (Poker Stars)
$25.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, January 04, 05:15:24 ET 2016
Table Haskins (real money)
Seat 6 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( $14.93 USD ) - VPIP: 39, PFR: 11, 3B: 4, AF: 1.3, Hands: 74
Seat 2: Player2 ( $22.94 USD ) - VPIP: 25, PFR: 8, 3B: 0, AF: 0.6, Hands: 106
Seat 3: Player3 ( $9.68 USD ) - VPIP: 69, PFR: 8, 3B: 14, AF: 2.3, Hands: 13
Seat 4: Player4 ( $31.25 USD ) - VPIP: 36, PFR: 24, 3B: 4, AF: 1.3, Hands: 70
Seat 5: Player5 ( $52.55 USD ) - VPIP: 52, PFR: 8, 3B: 10, AF: 3.0, Hands: 60
Seat 6: Hero ( $44.63 USD ) - VPIP: 15, PFR: 12, 3B: 7, AF: 2.2, Hands: 43152
Player1 posts small blind [$0.10 USD].
Player2 posts big blind [$0.25 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Ts Th ]
Player3 folds
Player4 folds
Player5 calls [$0.25 USD]
Hero raises [$0.80 USD]
Player1 calls [$0.70 USD]
Player2 folds
Player5 calls [$0.55 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4s, 6d, 3d ]
Player1 checks
Player5 bets [$2.65 USD]
Hero calls [$2.65 USD]
Player1 folds
** Dealing Turn ** [ 7h ]
Player5 bets [$7.95 USD]
Hero calls [$7.95 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ 4c ]
Player5 bets [$23.85 USD]

Hero, and why?

 

[fishinthesea]

3bet pot facing river pot bet

Here's another hand from today. I 3bet villain because he was opening a lot of hands. I do this quite often vs fish with an ace and decent kicker.

***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (Poker Stars)
$25.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, January 04, 07:59:54 ET 2016
Table Byund (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( $53.65 USD ) - VPIP: 48, PFR: 4, 3B: 13, AF: 1.4, Hands: 23
Seat 2: Player2 ( $24.40 USD ) - VPIP: 8, PFR: 8, 3B: 0, AF: 1.0, Hands: 24
Seat 3: Player3 ( $25.00 USD ) - VPIP: 17, PFR: 4, 3B: 0, AF: 1.0, Hands: 24
Seat 4: Player4 ( $31.19 USD ) - VPIP: 88, PFR: 63, 3B: 0, AF: 2.4, Hands: 24
Seat 5: Player5 ( $25.32 USD ) - VPIP: 11, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 19
Seat 6: Hero ( $24.99 USD ) - VPIP: 15, PFR: 12, 3B: 7, AF: 2.2, Hands: 43573
Player2 posts small blind [$0.10 USD].
Player3 posts big blind [$0.25 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 9c As ]
Player4 raises [$0.75 USD]
Player5 folds
Hero raises [$2.39 USD]
Player1 folds
Player2 folds
Player3 folds
Player4 calls [$1.64 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5s, Qs, Ah ]
Player4 checks
Hero bets [$2.10 USD]
Player4 calls [$2.10 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 8s ]
Player4 bets [$3.31 USD]
Hero calls [$3.31 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ Jh ]
Player4 bets [$13.07 USD]

Hero? Comments on pot bet sizing on river?

 

[No Brainer]

Thanks heaps for reviewing those hands guys, I have gone through them again and figured one of the main things I need to work on is thinking about why I am betting when I bet, for value or as a bluff? Jumped up to 6 tabling today but think I will stick with 4 until I get those decisions working a bit better.

PS are any of you guys doing the CASH GAME QUESTS, 1st challenge you need to be dealt 88. Ive player 1200 hands had 67 pairs - Every pair except 88 lol Had 44 10 times.

Wow that sucks bud, I thought it was bad today when I waited 800 hands for a full house.


Fish, first hand I think we have to fold. It is a pretty common line for weaker players to take with big hands either call/call/pot sized bet or bet small/bet small/pot sized bet. And given his super wide range it could connect with this board in some way. The worst thing about it is that you were pumping out the pot sized value bets and the board just got worse and worse.

Second hand is similar to the bet sizing I mentioned above but for some reason I find this one harder to believe. Again with a super wide range he could have hit 2 pair on this board, although with stats like he has he could also be turning any hand into a bluff or even just overplaying a one pair hand. I think without reads from previous hands I would give it up but if I had seen him do crazy things post flop previously I would be calling the river bet.

 

[fishinthesea]

Fish, first hand I think we have to fold. It is a pretty common line for weaker players to take with big hands either call/call/pot sized bet or bet small/bet small/pot sized bet. And given his super wide range it could connect with this board in some way. The worst thing about it is that you were pumping out the pot sized value bets and the board just got worse and worse.

Villain was pumping out the pot sized bets. Only time I raised was to isolate. He donked into my pot and because of board texture I decided to go into check/call mode. I don't know.. I always face so many pot bets vs fish on river it's kind of unreal...

 

[John A]

Thanks, really appreciate your time. Alot of useful stuff to work on, just need to incorporate it

In general stats I sorted by Grade and only posted ones B and worse

fold to cbet% on flop and turn is - below Flop Fold vs Cbet is 44.11 but didnt see the Fold to CBet% on turn. although might be in HUD itself and not in Leakbuster.

just checked under Plugging Leaks Overall and
Flop Fold vs CBET is 44.1 and Turn Fold vs CBET is 37.9 see below

I know Zoom doesnt help as at moment 3 tabling so dont get loads of time so yup VPIP/PFR AG% and occasionally 3Bet are key stats so def need to check others when determining plan on flop

In general, we need to get your WTSD down a little. At least the hands you post in here, you continue a lot w/ hands you should be folding, and folding some hands you should be continuing with a good amount. Your wtsd is on the high side, although in an acceptable range, it's still on the high side, and your agg needs to go up a bit. Those are the two things that really need to be worked out primarily.

 

[John A]

Villain has previously stacked me off with 93hearts when I had 3bet AQo.

***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (Poker Stars)
$25.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, January 04, 05:15:24 ET 2016
Table Haskins (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( $14.93 USD ) - VPIP: 39, PFR: 11, 3B: 4, AF: 1.3, Hands: 74
Seat 2: Player2 ( $22.94 USD ) - VPIP: 25, PFR: 8, 3B: 0, AF: 0.6, Hands: 106
Seat 3: Player3 ( $9.68 USD ) - VPIP: 69, PFR: 8, 3B: 14, AF: 2.3, Hands: 13
Seat 4: Player4 ( $31.25 USD ) - VPIP: 36, PFR: 24, 3B: 4, AF: 1.3, Hands: 70
Seat 5: Player5 ( $52.55 USD ) - VPIP: 52, PFR: 8, 3B: 10, AF: 3.0, Hands: 60
Seat 6: Hero ( $44.63 USD ) - VPIP: 15, PFR: 12, 3B: 7, AF: 2.2, Hands: 43152
Player1 posts small blind [$0.10 USD].
Player2 posts big blind [$0.25 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Ts Th ]
Player3 folds
Player4 folds
Player5 calls [$0.25 USD]
Hero raises [$0.80 USD]
Player1 calls [$0.70 USD]
Player2 folds
Player5 calls [$0.55 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4s, 6d, 3d ]
Player1 checks
Player5 bets [$2.65 USD]
Hero calls [$2.65 USD]
Player1 folds
** Dealing Turn ** [ 7h ]
Player5 bets [$7.95 USD]
Hero calls [$7.95 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ 4c ]
Player5 bets [$23.85 USD]

Hero, and why?

Raise way more pre-flop. This guy is going to call a lot more and then you can get the hand HU's more often. Because we let someone else in it's not as easy on the flop, but I'd still raise. He probably has some piece + combo and it's good to get more value at this point. As played I'd fold the turn and wait for a better spot. If you were 100bbs deep, I'd likely call call.

As played, I'd lean towards a hero call on the river. It doesn't make any sense for him to bet the turn that hard, and then when the river pairs, for him to bomb it like that. He also knows he stacked you with a goofy hand. I think 4x and straights would go for more mid value by the river, and two pairs / sets aren't always betting the turn that hard.

So I don't mind a river call, but I'd probably have folded on the turn.

 

[No Brainer]

Villain was pumping out the pot sized bets. Only time I raised was to isolate. He donked into my pot and because of board texture I decided to go into check/call mode. I don't know.. I always face so many pot bets vs fish on river it's kind of unreal...

Oh sorry, got that mixed up. When he donks into you with a pot sized bet you gotta raise, looking to get it in on the flop. We know he can be spazzing out like the previous hand so just get as much value from him here as possible. From this type of villain I wouldn't be surprised to see him stack off with Ax on this flop...

As played I would probably call but not really like doing it. I had a similar spot yesterday where someone bet 3 streets in a 3 bet pot for close to 200 bbs on a Q high board and showed TT. Anytime you have to play for more than 100bbs with one pair is gross but you have the reads on him to show he can get way out of line...