*Don't Touch* Oreo's Cash Game Grind

[Aces2w1n]

you had ak and did a bluff.
villain called u with some bs broadway busted flush draw king high and u win?

 

[or3o1990]

You guys were both really close. Put those answers together and you're spot on!


I did flop quads. Villian tanked and called with AKo. He is a decent reg and to call it off with A high seemed dubious but I was trying to make this look like an "obvious" bluff once he checked the turn. I figured he'd at least have a pp

 

[Figaroo2]

You guys were both really close. Put those answers together and you're spot on!

I did flop quads. Villian tanked and called with AKo. He is a decent reg and to call it off with A high seemed dubious but I was trying to make this look like an "obvious" bluff once he checked the turn. I figured he'd at least have a pp

Yeah knowing your game like I do, I knew it had to be the mortal nuts for you to shove all in. Lol you around tonight?

 

[duggs]

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $1 NL - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 40 BB (VPIP: 13.59, PFR: 11.89, 3Bet Preflop: 6.47, Hands: 1,535)
BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
Hero (SB): 108.43 BB
BB: 100.34 BB (VPIP: 21.97, PFR: 7.17, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 226)
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 22.21, PFR: 13.54, 3Bet Preflop: 4.33, Hands: 1,091)
UTG+1: 132.98 BB (VPIP: 15.32, PFR: 11.96, 3Bet Preflop: 5.28, Hands: 757)
MP: 215.34 BB (VPIP: 21.08, PFR: 14.84, 3Bet Preflop: 4.91, Hands: 471)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has ??

fold, fold, MP raises to 3 BB, fold, BTN calls 3 BB, Hero raises to 12 BB, fold, MP calls 9 BB, BTN calls 9 BB

Flop: (37 BB, 3 players) 2♥ 2♦ 4♥
Hero bets 19 BB, MP calls 19 BB, fold

Turn: (75 BB, 2 players) 8♦
Hero checks, MP checks

River: (75 BB, 2 players) 5♠
Hero bets 77.43 BB and is all-in, MP calls 77.43 BB

Can anyone call the hands here?

Havent seen whats posted below but your range should be like 99+ JTs+ KJs+ QJo A2-5s AJo+ ATs maybe a little wider and more depolarised.

A2s, A5s A3s, 99+ all flush draws on the flop, and all your back doors aswell.

Turn is strange, makes hands like 99/AQhh/AK seem more likely as they cant get three streets.

river is weird i guess you have TT/A3/A2 and he calls with 87hh or something silly. or he snaps you off with 88

 

[duggs]

You guys were both really close. Put those answers together and you're spot on!


I did flop quads. Villian tanked and called with AKo. He is a decent reg and to call it off with A high seemed dubious but I was trying to make this look like an "obvious" bluff once he checked the turn. I figured he'd at least have a pp

think his call is pretty dubious, I think your 3bet with 22 is pretty bad, whats your squeeze range in this spot?

 

[or3o1990]

think his call is pretty dubious, I think your 3bet with 22 is pretty bad, whats your squeeze range in this spot?

I do remember you beating me up before about 3betting my little pairs. I don't usually 3bet them against fish but against players I respect I sometimes do. I'm under the impression that I don't get value from sets against regs often enough to play them passively so I have to sometimes take an aggressive line pre or on later streets.

My 3betting range is usually more polarized when I'm in the bilnds. All of the value hands AQ+, JJ+ then I sometimes mix in A5o-, 55- and sometimes small suited K's. I prefer to flat medium pairs which sometimes includes 10's but I 3bet them sometimes too. I also prefer to flat or fold most of the 10x hands here.

I think I understand the difference in definition between polarized and depolaraized ranges but I certainly don't get the difference in their application??

I hit you up on skype the other day. I have a couple of questions for you but I'll pm you.

 

[Figaroo2]

I think I understand the difference in definition between polarized and depolaraized ranges but I certainly don't get the difference in their application??

Bud we play a polarized range to apply pressure and induce mistakes and over-reaction against better players or players that just fold too much to 3bets. It allows us to 3bet more junky type hands that don't flat so well and keep them guessing as to whether we have it or not. No one likes getting bullied and what you are looking for is the guy who eventually fights back with the wrong hand at the wrong time.
You have to depolarise and just 3bet good hands against fishy players who simply won't fold preflop. This is covered really well in Polished Poker.

 

[or3o1990]

My mistake, I didn't mean depolarized. I meant a merged 3betting range.

 

[NotVincent559]

Good book suggestions for strategy! GO!

 

[or3o1990]

It definitely depends on what you're looking for and how much you already know. But I'd recommend Polished Poker for starters.


As far as the 3bet ranges go I use both a merged and polarized range depending. Intuitively I assume that merged is better in position against good players that are calling a lot of 3bets and the polarized is better oop and vs fit or fold opponents. This might come off as trivial to be thinking about but I've been pondering this lately as I'm trying to better understand how to construct proper ranges.

 

[kapos77]

Wow rare draw. Double nut chase

I guess the only thing worse is 66 lol
But even if u get quads the str flush still wins))

 

[or3o1990]

Not a bad way to kick off the sweat today.


iPoker - $1 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 132.67 BB (VPIP: 17.20, PFR: 2.65, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 380)
UTG+1: 338.9 BB (VPIP: 12.20, PFR: 9.33, 3Bet Preflop: 3.37, Hands: 847)
MP: 101.5 BB (VPIP: 18.98, PFR: 11.87, 3Bet Preflop: 5.38, Hands: 2,371)
MP+1: 100 BB (VPIP: 12.51, PFR: 9.91, 3Bet Preflop: 4.21, Hands: 1,203)
Hero (MP+2): 153.11 BB
CO: 115.95 BB (VPIP: 18.88, PFR: 14.68, 3Bet Preflop: 5.50, Hands: 1,476)
BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 16.22, PFR: 13.75, 3Bet Preflop: 5.41, Hands: 859)
SB: 138.23 BB (VPIP: 35.59, PFR: 16.95, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 60)
BB: 148.17 BB (VPIP: 16.03, PFR: 11.42, 3Bet Preflop: 6.74, Hands: 502)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q♣ T♥

UTG calls 1 BB, fold, MP raises to 4 BB, MP+1 calls 4 BB, Hero raises to 14.5 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls 13.5 BB, MP calls 10.5 BB, MP+1 calls 10.5 BB

Flop: (59.5 BB, 4 players) 9♦ K♦ J♣
UTG checks, MP checks, MP+1 checks, Hero bets 25.25 BB, UTG raises to 118.17 BB, MP calls 87 BB, fold, Hero raises to 138.61 BB

Turn: (382.84 BB, 3 players) 2♠

River: (382.84 BB, 3 players) T♣

MP shows 9♠ 9♥ (Three of a Kind, Nines)

Main Pot [320.5 BB]: (Pre 17%, Flop 5%, Turn 2%)

Hero shows Q♣ T♥ (Straight, King High)

Main Pot [320.5 BB]: (Pre 25%, Flop 66%, Turn 81%)
Side Pot#1 [62.34 BB]: (Pre 30%, Flop 66%, Turn 81%)

UTG shows J♠ J♦ (Three of a Kind, Jacks)

Main Pot [320.5 BB]: (Pre 57%, Flop 29%, Turn 17%)
Side Pot#1 [62.34 BB]: (Pre 70%, Flop 34%, Turn 19%)

Hero wins 400.28 BB

 

[romanbokel]

Even large winning players have downswings of 20-30 buyins. It depends on your winrate but if you never add to you bankroll then at some point it will dwindle dangerously close to zero.

 

[or3o1990]

BRM is probably one of the only things I can say that with confidence that I've been doing consistently good at for the most part. I've never flatlined my bankroll and I'm quite proud of that. It's probably another reason I haven't moved up this last year. I'm a little too risk averse if anything.

 

[or3o1990]

No brainer here, right? I didn't tank very long considering such a large overbet I opted to just let it go. I do have some history with this guy. He's one of the best players at the level and we've done battle many times now. A couple of those more recent exchanges resulted in me overbet shoving the nuts and getting a call from him. I've never seen him play hand like this ever and I was curious if this play was a history related move..



Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $1 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 15.52, PFR: 10.32, 3Bet Preflop: 3.67, Hands: 797)
Hero (UTG+1): 100 BB
MP: 110.55 BB (VPIP: 16.90, PFR: 13.97, 3Bet Preflop: 6.89, Hands: 4,415)
MP+1: 141.38 BB (VPIP: 30.30, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 67)
CO: 115.71 BB (VPIP: 21.16, PFR: 16.93, 3Bet Preflop: 7.45, Hands: 3,324)
BTN: 54.41 BB (VPIP: 39.13, PFR: 23.19, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 69)
SB: 49.56 BB (VPIP: 16.48, PFR: 12.89, 3Bet Preflop: 4.01, Hands: 981)
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 16.54, PFR: 12.19, 3Bet Preflop: 5.09, Hands: 7,900)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A♣ A♥

fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, CO calls 3 BB, fold, fold, fold

Flop: (7.5 BB, 2 players) 9♠ 7♦ 3♠
Hero bets 4.75 BB, CO raises to 16 BB, Hero calls 11.25 BB

Turn: (39.5 BB, 2 players) 5♦
Hero checks, CO bets 96.71 BB and is all-in, fold

CO wins 37.53 BB

0.24 BB was deducted from the pot for the jackpot.

 

[Figaroo2]

No brainer here, right? I didn't tank very long considering such a large overbet I opted to just let it go. I do have some history with this guy. He's one of the best players at the level and we've done battle many times now. A couple of those more recent exchanges resulted in me overbet shoving the nuts and getting a call from him. I've never seen him play hand like this ever and I was curious if this play was a history related move..

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $1 NL - Holdem - 8 players

Hero (UTG+1): 100 BB
CO: 115.71 BB (VPIP: 21.16, PFR: 16.93, 3Bet Preflop: 7.45, Hands: 3,324)
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A♣ A♥
fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, CO calls 3 BB, fold, fold, fold
Flop: (7.5 BB, 2 players) 9♠ 7♦ 3♠
Hero bets 4.75 BB, CO raises to 16 BB, Hero calls 11.25 BB
Turn: (39.5 BB, 2 players) 5♦
Hero checks, CO bets 96.71 BB and is all-in, fold
CO wins 37.53 BB
0.24 BB was deducted from the pot for the jackpot.

Don't like his play, he lost masses of value if he had a decent hand. I'm calling off at least another 20bb on the turn and maybe the same on bricked rivers.
I'd say this was bottom or middle set hoping you would call it off with a flush draw or an overpair. Just looks like he is petrified of one of the flush draws coming in giving you room to bluff.
If he starts doing this too often you know he's starting to do this with his semi-bluffs as well.

 

[or3o1990]

Don't like his play, he lost masses of value if he had a decent hand. I'm calling off at least another 20bb on the turn and maybe the same on bricked rivers.
I'd say this was bottom or middle set hoping you would call it off with a flush draw or an overpair. Just looks like he is petrified of one of the flush draws coming in giving you room to bluff.
If he starts doing this too often you know he's starting to do this with his semi-bluffs as well.

I was thinking a set as well. Nothing about his line made much sense but it's aight..

Bink! Not a huge fan of 3betting kjoop but we do it anyways here. Anyone folding the turn?

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $1 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 199.86 BB (VPIP: 20.18, PFR: 17.28, 3Bet Preflop: 9.75, Hands: 659)
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 16.78, PFR: 12.08, 3Bet Preflop: 5.75, Hands: 1,547)
UTG+1: 103.13 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)
MP: 101.16 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)
MP+1: 303.25 BB (VPIP: 17.59, PFR: 9.26, 3Bet Preflop: 2.17, Hands: 108)
MP+2: 54.65 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)
CO: 139.65 BB (VPIP: 26.79, PFR: 10.71, 3Bet Preflop: 4.00, Hands: 58)
BTN: 198.73 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 18.52, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 28)
Hero (SB): 100 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K♣ J♣

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, CO raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 10 BB, fold, CO calls 7 BB

Flop: (21 BB, 2 players) 4♣ J♠ K♠
Hero bets 15.3 BB, CO calls 15.3 BB

Turn: (51.6 BB, 2 players) T♦
Hero bets 35.68 BB, CO raises to 84 BB, Hero??



I couldn't decide if I was ahead or not. This is the first hand in 30 that villain raised so I felt like he should be strong but his sizing pre and check on the turn say otherwise. The river bet didn't make a ton of sense. Does he check over pairs on the turn, most often not. Could he have a straight? I folded, which I'm pretty sure is a mistake.


iPoker - $1 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 98.5 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
SB: 99 BB (VPIP: 31.03, PFR: 24.14, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 29)
Hero (BB): 96.95 BB
UTG: 151.18 BB (VPIP: 17.24, PFR: 10.34, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 29)
UTG+1: 231.6 BB (VPIP: 44.44, PFR: 22.22, 3Bet Preflop: 15.38, Hands: 27)
MP: 80.11 BB (VPIP: 24.14, PFR: 17.24, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 29)
MP+1: 47 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
CO: 114.2 BB (VPIP: 24.14, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 29)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T♥ T♣

UTG raises to 2 BB, fold, MP calls 2 BB, fold, CO raises to 6 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 5 BB, fold, MP calls 4 BB

Flop: (20.5 BB, 3 players) 6♠ 2♠ 7♣
Hero checks, MP checks, CO bets 13.25 BB, Hero calls 13.25 BB, fold

Turn: (47 BB, 2 players) 5♥
Hero checks, CO checks

River: (47 BB, 2 players) 9♠
Hero checks, CO bets 30.59 BB, fold


CO wins 75.24 BB


A c/r bluff on the turn doesn't seem very likely so I opt to just get out of the way.. Thoughts?


iPoker - $1 NL - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 82.5 BB (VPIP: 15.38, PFR: 7.69, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 26)
SB: 104.4 BB (VPIP: 28.30, PFR: 18.87, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 53)
Hero (BB): 97 BB
UTG: 93.7 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 19.05, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 22)
MP: 68.3 BB (VPIP: 15.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 20)
CO: 192.05 BB (VPIP: 32.08, PFR: 13.21, 3Bet Preflop: 13.04, Hands: 53)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A♣ 8♦

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 3 BB, SB calls 2.5 BB, Hero raises to 13 BB, fold, SB calls 10 BB

Flop: (29 BB, 2 players) A♥ 7♠ 3♦
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (29 BB, 2 players) K♣
SB checks, Hero bets 15.5 BB, SB raises to 38.64 BB, fold

SB wins 80.14 BB

 

[Figaroo2]

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K♣ J♣
fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, CO raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 10 BB, fold, CO calls 7 BB
Flop: (21 BB, 2 players) 4♣ J♠ K♠
Hero bets 15.3 BB, CO calls 15.3 BB
Turn: (51.6 BB, 2 players) T♦
Hero bets 35.68 BB, CO raises to 84 BB, Hero??

What worse is raising so small here that also calls a 3bet? It has to be JJ or AsQs or less likely but still possible 44 or any other AQ or TT, although the latter 2 hands might let it go on the flop. JJ looks fav. I'm sigh folding.

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T♥ T♣
UTG raises to 2 BB, fold, MP calls 2 BB, fold, CO raises to 6 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 5 BB, fold, MP calls 4 BB
Flop: (20.5 BB, 3 players) 6♠ 2♠ 7♣
Hero checks, MP checks, CO bets 13.25 BB, Hero calls 13.25 BB, fold
Turn: (47 BB, 2 players) 5♥
Hero checks, CO checks
River: (47 BB, 2 players) 9♠
Hero checks, CO bets 30.59 BB, fold

Stats look fishy, preflop raise looks fishy, flop bet looks like solid value and then pot control on the turn in case you have a set. Once you check he decides to go for more value on the end.
I think you are beaten here, the pot sweetening min raise preflop is a clue pointing towards a premium pair imo.

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A♣ 8♦
fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 3 BB, SB calls 2.5 BB, Hero raises to 13 BB, fold, SB calls 10 BB
Flop: (29 BB, 2 players) A♥ 7♠ 3♦
SB checks, Hero checks
Turn: (29 BB, 2 players) K♣
SB checks, Hero bets 15.5 BB, SB raises to 38.64 BB, fold

This one is harder to read, I don't mind the flop check as there won't be many worse aces here and it disguises our hand and encourages bluffs and overplay from the opponent. So having checked flop our hand is under repped and its tough to know what to do here because he could be quite wide in this spot. I probably call once on the turn but only because we are under repped. I wouldn't be happy though it, makes more sense to bluff by leading out rather than check raising,

 

[or3o1990]

As it turned out the first guy was not bluffing lol. The second guy was and I did not peel my top pair on the turn. WOMP!

 

[Aces2w1n]

A8off
I think its not a good idea to squeeze light with sb in the middle there calling...

if we 3bet and we win its fine but if sb calls we are behind
or dominated...
but given the action our hand represents Ax so we should bet our perceived range and end the hand. no need to get tricky here our main purpose should be to steal pre.

 

[or3o1990]

Sb seems like he may have been a weaker player so I didn't mind too much if he flatted oop.

I don't think a flop bet accomplished very much tbh. We maybe get 2 streets of value max if we're lucky and there are no bad turns for us other than draws to 2 outers.

 

[or3o1990]

Let me correct myself. I think betting the flop is fine because we will get floated by the pair combos. But because we can't get 3streets of value we have to check somewhere.

Betting flop and turn and checking river is bad I think. But I feel like betting flop checking turn and betting river and checking flop betting turn betting river are both fine.

 

[Aces2w1n]

if hes that bad we can bet bet... and if he checks go for thin value but thats best case.

id be happy with bet bet and he folds. much more comfortable

 

[Figaroo2]

Bump

Bump
a new thread for the new adventure?

 

[Alexey]

KK should be a small b/f or a c/c i think. i think its really hard to be beat here given his stats