Continuation Betting micro cash games

[Suns of Beaches]

Whenever i play micro cash games get the feeling that my continuation bets more often get called then when i play micro tournaments or sit and goes.

What do u guys think about this? And what could be the reasons for this?

 

[Poker_Mike]

When I cbet I am doing it for one of two reasons:-

1. To motivate my opponent to fold so I can take the pot

2. To motivate my opponent to call so I can gain value from my hand.

So I ask you - when you cbet - are you trying to get the other player to fold or call?

If you want them to fold then I would suggest betting an additional 3 or 4 BBs to see if that would work.

Good luck !

 

[fundiver199]

In tournaments people have more incentive to preserve their stack, especially when its kind of short, and the bubble or final table is getting near. In cash games people can always reload, and stacks are usually deeper, which gives more room to continue on the flop with marginal hands and find ways to win the pot later.

 

[Station_Master]

In MTTs players tend to overfold. In cash games they play a bit better and defend more though probably still overfold.

If you cbet 33% for example then villain only needs to realise 20% equity to continue. Whilst the MDF is 75% (I think, cant remember the exact calc), though in practice how wide a villain should defend will depend on the board and ranges in play.

 

[Suns of Beaches]

In tournaments people have more incentive to preserve their stack, especially when its kind of short, and the bubble or final table is getting near. In cash games people can always reload, and stacks are usually deeper, which gives more room to continue on the flop with marginal hands and find ways to win the pot later.

So i should continue for value but do it less as a bluff. Makes a lot of sense and i kind of figured that but wanted to hear other opinions on that matter.

I mostly continue with half pot bet but i see good players sometimes go for 33 percent and on the turn they bet like 75 percent. Any thoughts on that? I feel like in burn money with these 1/2 pot continuation bets (in some spots).

 

[fundiver199]

I mostly continue with half pot bet but i see good players sometimes go for 33 percent and on the turn they bet like 75 percent. Any thoughts on that? I feel like in burn money with these 1/2 pot continuation bets (in some spots).

Small flop bets are basically, what solvers do a lot, especially on static boards. Dynamic boards are bet less often but for a larger size. Solvers dont bet half pot very often.

 

[dreamer13]

The players we classify as “fish” at the micros make mistakes almost every time they have to make a choice between their actions. As long as you play solid fundamental poker, they gradually float up belly up. There shouldn't be any reason for you to invent anything. All you need to do is make the right decisions based on your specific circumstances.Many newcomers come to poker after watching enough television broadcasts. They start bluffing a lot and copying the play of the super-pros, but you should know that this kind of play does not work at the micro-stakes.

 

[Suns of Beaches]

Small flop bets are basically, what solvers do a lot, especially on static boards. Dynamic boards are bet less often but for a larger size. Solvers dont bet half pot very often.

Ok thanks for that, really appreciate it. Im using some these betsizes for a long time already and im trying to find leaks and make adjustments.

On micros (which i play a lot lately) people tend to call small bets a lot so i was almost never using 33 percent bet size as a bluff/continuation bet without a strong hand. It was basically always half pot bet and give up on turn if they call and i dont improve somehow.

But since they call a lot anyway, even big bets, im sure im burning money in some spots using these 1/2 pot bets.

 

[Poker Orifice]

Be prepared to double barrel vs. the right opponents. Players are calling with backdoor draws + overs, etc. etc. OR calling to float & take it away on the turn.
It's really important to classify the players you are playing asap so that you can make adjustments in your play.

 

[Gallarado777]

you need to bet if you want to get away with a weaker hand than your hand or for the player to throw his cards away. If you are betting just to place, then this is not the right thing to do, you need to clearly understand what you are betting for and why you will be called just like that because people just don't believe in betting if you want to convince your opponent to place big bets

 

[Cbabycee]

Whenever i play micro cash games get the feeling that my continuation bets more often get called then when i play micro tournaments or sit and goes.

What do u guys think about this? And what could be the reasons for this?

I’ve found that if a micro cash player has opened or 3bet they will usually continue strong on the flop whether they hit or not they ‘float’. If I have connected with ANYTHING I will usually call, it will then go one of two ways - they will bet again much bigger, or if they’ve missed they’ll usually check or bet smaller, that will usually give me an idea of the strength and how to progress.

A lot of the time the aggro players who can’t let go of their blind slow down when you call the flop so a bet usually gets them to fold.

In cash every single hand matters every hand is a game in itself and could be that players bankroll. In tournaments it’s easier to lay down a hand in the knowledge there are other opportunities. Or that’s how I see it

 

[jonaselloco]

Whenever i play micro cash games get the feeling that my continuation bets more often get called then when i play micro tournaments or sit and goes.

What do u guys think about this? And what could be the reasons for this?

The answer is absolutely simple.

In tournaments you play with a single stack without the possibility of replenishing your stack (Unless it is a rebuy tournament and the hand in which you go all in is at the beginning of the mtt)

On the other hand, in cash a continuation bet can be paid normally, because possibly your opponent has a very good or not so good odds possibility, but it still doesn't pay.

For example, calling a closed straight or an overcard, etc., are very common hands in cash, especially from the flop to the turn.

Already on the river the situation changes because if you realize that the opponent is paying you to specify in general if you have the nuts up to that point it is convenient to go directly there and if he wants to see his card on the river at least he pays a considerable amount . Put this in your head, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO GIVE A FREE MENU ON THE STREETS

Greetings

 

[AdamasDate]

To be honest at the micros people just want to see if they can make a hand so you need to pick and choose what hands to bet and play with sounds like your betting with too much hands there are a few reasons for betting

1 for value against something worst
2 deny equity
3 as a bluff the bluff has to make sense u cant go check check all in for e.g people will be like huh???
4 u got a hard read on player type and u can exploit cause he over calls or over folds

 

[eetenor]

Ok thanks for that, really appreciate it. Im using some these betsizes for a long time already and im trying to find leaks and make adjustments.

On micros (which i play a lot lately) people tend to call small bets a lot so i was almost never using 33 percent bet size as a bluff/continuation bet without a strong hand. It was basically always half pot bet and give up on turn if they call and i dont improve somehow.

But since they call a lot anyway, even big bets, im sure im burning money in some spots using these 1/2 pot bets.

It would be very helpful for you to give say ten examples of hands and flops that you are c-betting- include # of villains and every players seat positions. Any other data about the game would be good as well.

The reason for this data is you may be doing nothing wrong or you could be very wrong in the board textures you are betting vs certain V types.

 

[Aballinamion]

Whenever i play micro cash games get the feeling that my continuation bets more often get called then when i play micro tournaments or sit and goes.

What do u guys think about this? And what could be the reasons for this?

As other person had said you should know the reason why you are putting a c-bet flop. How does your range interacts with the flop plus the psychological side of your opponent. And this is just the beginning of it.
We do not bet to our opponent to fold or to call, we bet either for value when we believe we have the best hand or for bluff when we have some piece of equity plus we believe our opponent might fold to it.
I do not play tournaments but cash players tend to have better reads of postflop mechanics.

 

[Suns of Beaches]

As other person had said you should know the reason why you are putting a c-bet flop. How does your range interacts with the flop plus the psychological side of your opponent. And this is just the beginning of it.
We do not bet to our opponent to fold or to call, we bet either for value when we believe we have the best hand or for bluff when we have some piece of equity plus we believe our opponent might fold to it.
I do not play tournaments but cash players tend to have better reads of postflop mechanics.

I know the reasons of why to continuation bet
Thanks for ur input.

 

[Station_Master]

As other person had said you should know the reason why you are putting a c-bet flop. How does your range interacts with the flop plus the psychological side of your opponent. And this is just the beginning of it.
We do not bet to our opponent to fold or to call, we bet either for value when we believe we have the best hand or for bluff when we have some piece of equity plus we believe our opponent might fold to it.
I do not play tournaments but cash players tend to have better reads of postflop mechanics.

I would also add that its not as simple as c betting for bluff or value on the flop(or preflop). There are many factors at play, including denial, equity realisation, information hiding. It's only really on turn and rivers we can narrow down to bluffs and value.

Anyway the good thing about having your cbets called more is you get to play more turns and rivers, which is where the fun starts!

 

[S3mper]

I mostly continue with half pot bet but i see good players sometimes go for 33 percent

The size of your bet is often tied to the frequency of your bet. When betting at a high frequency we tend to want to choose a small sizing. There are going to be boards where you have a strong range advantage where you are going to be wanting to bet your entire range of hands (Mostly IP). By doing this you're going to be winning a lot of fold equity. That said, as you mentioned villains tend to call a lot which means they are reaching turns with a wide range including a lot of junk and this is good for you as the IP aggressor.

and on the turn they bet like 75 percent. Any thoughts on that?

Since we range bet we have arrived at the turn with all our possible hands and even though villain will have quite a few combos of junk they will have had some folds which means we have less equity on the turn so we want to be betting less often (On cards that favor us) so we go larger in our sizing when we do bet.

With all that said I completely suck at poker and am barely beating 10NL so take all that with a grain of salt <--- My PSA for any of my strategy post/replies.