What's your play ????

[HerbPuffer]

This is in the $15 PROGRESSIVE KO PA SCOOP EVENT w/$25K gtd I wanna say. We're down to 80 or so ppl and I'm in ~20th. I was just moved to this table, very first hand dealt so, 1) if I did have many hands on this guy the HUD wouldn't have been updated to this table yet, and 2) neither guy is noted so must not have noticed anything prior to this if I did have any hands on either of em.

The first thing I notice about opener is the pot-sized bet at these levels, which in my opinion is a BIG tell and MAJOR leak.

I'll leave this here for discussion and post the results later.

PokerStars Hand #212106772896: Tournament #2648455515, $6.85+$6.80+$1.35 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXIII (5000/10000) - 2020/04/18 23:41:30 ET
Table '2648455515 3' 8-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: BCPuffer (336204 in chips, $18.70 bounty)
Seat 2: shawnbr198522 (413550 in chips, $46.75 bounty)
Seat 3: ruppea2 (191100 in chips, $6.80 bounty)
Seat 4: jimbob1101 (228390 in chips, $50.15 bounty)
Seat 5: MrChillibin (104940 in chips, $17 bounty)
Seat 6: willgp299 (152050 in chips, $52.27 bounty)
Seat 7: shotgun stan (472699 in chips, $37.40 bounty)
Seat 8: Cuse919 (133580 in chips, $65.02 bounty)
BCPuffer: posts the ante 1000
shawnbr198522: posts the ante 1000
ruppea2: posts the ante 1000
jimbob1101: posts the ante 1000
MrChillibin: posts the ante 1000
willgp299: posts the ante 1000
shotgun stan: posts the ante 1000
Cuse919: posts the ante 1000
MrChillibin: posts small blind 5000
willgp299: posts big blind 10000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to BCPuffer [Kc Kd]
shotgun stan: raises 33000 to 43000
Cuse919: folds
BCPuffer: raises 56999 to 99999
shawnbr198522: folds
ruppea2: folds
jimbob1101: folds
MrChillibin: folds
willgp299: raises 51051 to 151050 and is all-in
shotgun stan: raises 320649 to 471699 and is all-in



Do we call here or can we find a fold to protect out stack. I know we play these tournaments to win them n not just make small amounts per tourney but this spot has been bothering me since the game last night and I thought I'd try n get some input here.

 

[Edu1]

ok, villain open a big size, but in what table position are these players? UTG, SB, BB...?
I would call with KK. this is a bounty tourney, people can shove all-in with JJ QQ AKs AQs. I also think willgp299 had a weak range.

 

[HerbPuffer]

ok, villain open a big size, but in what table position are these players? UTG, SB, BB...?
I would call with KK. this is a bounty tourney, people can shove all-in with JJ QQ AKs AQs. I also think willgp299 had a weak range.

I agree that ppl go crazy bounty hunting n will shove about anything. I think that's more towards the beginning of teh tourney, though. And w/stack sizes the way they sit, I don't think the BB can shove too too light seeing as UTG and Hero both have plenty of pot odds to make the call. Also he is shipping into two larger stacks, both of which raised, one from UTG and Hero in MP. I almost want to say he has to have the nittiest of ranges of the three to be shoving in that position.

 

[thehangdude]

So a raise, 3bet, 4bet, 5bet to you. You already had almost 1/3 of your stack in. You fold and have 230,000, win both and have 900,000, or beat big stack and have around 300,000.

BB has a really large range with <15BB and a pot bigger than his stack. He could have anything from a small pair to a moderate suited connectors. Feels like he is taking this chance to triple up, hoping you both have AK.

UTG raised very early, then 3bet and 4bet didn't faze him. Put him on QQ, small chance at KK, or the dreaded AA. He might have gone all in with a high suited Ace in order to get BB in heads up, but since he is chip leader, you can't count on stupid.

I would probably fold the KK, but it would be hard. You've built your stack for hours. If you fold, you'll still be third in chips at an 8 man table. Back to the long game.

 

[HerbPuffer]

So a raise, 3bet, 4bet, 5bet to you. You already had almost 1/3 of your stack in. You fold and have 230,000, win both and have 900,000, or beat big stack and have around 300,000.

BB has a really large range with <15BB and a pot bigger than his stack. He could have anything from a small pair to a moderate suited connectors. Feels like he is taking this chance to triple up, hoping you both have AK.

UTG raised very early, then 3bet and 4bet didn't faze him. Put him on QQ, small chance at KK, or the dreaded AA. He might have gone all in with a high suited Ace in order to get BB in heads up, but since he is chip leader, you can't count on stupid.

I would probably fold the KK, but it would be hard. You've built your stack for hours. If you fold, you'll still be third in chips at an 8 man table. Back to the long game.

You really think that light?

I'm not too sure BB is getting it in w/anything less than JJ, maybe AKs/AQs

 

[thehangdude]

You really think that light?

I'm not too sure BB is getting it in w/anything less than JJ, maybe AKs/AQs

BB started the hand with 15BB. He is already looking for a chance to push. So push into a pot you already have 11,000 invested, hope UTG folds or you get a bit of luck to triple up+. He very easily could be hoping his medium suited connectors hit.

 

[HerbPuffer]

BB started the hand with 15BB. He is already looking for a chance to push. So push into a pot you already have 11,000 invested, hope UTG folds or you get a bit of luck to triple up+. He very easily could be hoping his medium suited connectors hit.

I see where you're coming from w/the triple up. I'd just find it tough to shove light w/both guys already priced in.

 

[ghost2455]

KKs

"Do we call here or can we find a fold to protect out stack."


Of course you go with pocket kings :icon_rr: all day

 

[HerbPuffer]

OK, I left yinz in limbo long enough.


Here is the result. . .


PokerStars Hand #212106772896: Tournament #2648455515, $6.85+$6.80+$1.35 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXIII (5000/10000) - 2020/04/18 23:41:30 ET
Table '2648455515 3' 8-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: BCPuffer (336204 in chips, $18.70 bounty)
Seat 2: shawnbr198522 (413550 in chips, $46.75 bounty)
Seat 3: ruppea2 (191100 in chips, $6.80 bounty)
Seat 4: jimbob1101 (228390 in chips, $50.15 bounty)
Seat 5: MrChillibin (104940 in chips, $17 bounty)
Seat 6: willgp299 (152050 in chips, $52.27 bounty)
Seat 7: shotgun stan (472699 in chips, $37.40 bounty)
Seat 8: Cuse919 (133580 in chips, $65.02 bounty)
BCPuffer: posts the ante 1000
shawnbr198522: posts the ante 1000
ruppea2: posts the ante 1000
jimbob1101: posts the ante 1000
MrChillibin: posts the ante 1000
willgp299: posts the ante 1000
shotgun stan: posts the ante 1000
Cuse919: posts the ante 1000
MrChillibin: posts small blind 5000
willgp299: posts big blind 10000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to BCPuffer [Kc Kd]
shotgun stan: raises 33000 to 43000
Cuse919: folds
BCPuffer: raises 56999 to 99999
shawnbr198522: folds
ruppea2: folds
jimbob1101: folds
MrChillibin: folds
willgp299: raises 51051 to 151050 and is all-in
shotgun stan: raises 320649 to 471699 and is all-in
BCPuffer: calls 235205 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (136495) returned to shotgun stan
*** FLOP *** [Ad 6d 5h]
*** TURN *** [Ad 6d 5h] [6h]
*** RIVER *** [Ad 6d 5h 6h] [5c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
shotgun stan: shows [As Ac] (a full house, Aces full of Sixes)
BCPuffer: shows [Kc Kd] (two pair, Kings and Sixes)
shotgun stan collected 368308 from side pot
willgp299: shows [Qh Qd] (two pair, Queens and Sixes)
shotgun stan collected 466150 from main pot
shotgun stan wins $9.35 for eliminating BCPuffer and their own bounty increases by $9.35 to $46.75
shotgun stan wins $26.14 for eliminating willgp299 and their own bounty increases by $26.13 to $72.88
BCPuffer finished the tournament in 84th place and received $19.54.
willgp299 finished the tournament in 85th place and received $19.54.
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 834458 Main pot 466150. Side pot 368308. | Rake 0
Board [Ad 6d 5h 6h 5c]
Seat 1: BCPuffer showed [Kc Kd] and lost with two pair, Kings and Sixes
Seat 2: shawnbr198522 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: ruppea2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: jimbob1101 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: MrChillibin (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: willgp299 (big blind) showed [Qh Qd] and lost with two pair, Queens and Sixes
Seat 7: shotgun stan showed [As Ac] and won (834458) with a full house, Aces full of Sixes
Seat 8: Cuse919 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

 

[royalburrito24]

Never ever ever fold pocket kings before the flop, unless you have an amazing read or tell from a player that leads you to narrow his range allllll the way down to just AA. Unless one of us is Daniel Negreanu, I doubt any of us have that capability.

Happily call here, and just consider it unlucky to run into AA with KK. There's always another tournament.

Also, arguments can be made for folding KK when you are literally on the bubble. I still would never fold KK. We're in it to win it baby!