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[QUOTE="WiZZiM, post: 2395169, member: 61983"] Yeah i get what you are saying. You are basically using a risk/reward system to determine if a play is good or bad. But the other thing is, what it means to you as a person. like, lets say you are in a final table, and you get shoved on by a loose player, and you know ranges and expected value very well and know it's fine to call with AQ here, but you also know you only win 65% of the time vs an ATC range. Now, if we think purely about EV then it's an easy call. However the risk part of the equation is very high, and it depends how much of a reward we get from it. Also, more importantly, asking yourself questions like "how important is this tournament to me and my situation". Like, do i final table all the time and the buyin doesn't really affect me. Or is this your first final table, the buyin is bigger than you normally play and the money you can win if you creep up the pay ladder is more important to you than winning this tournament. So that's why i refferred to 'common sense' because while it isn't very common, it's the best way to describe some of the decisions you might face. I totally agree with what you are saying though, a lot of the time, especially in 2+2 people get brainwashed into thinking you HAVE to take +EV spots ALL the time. It's kind of like a peer pressure thing. But if you are a thinking player (which it sounds like you are) you can make good decisions for your situation. Just to give one example of a situation where i wish i knew what i know now. I was playing a 1.5k buyin and was down to 30ish players, 20 paid, min-cashing was 4k which was a pretty big payday for me in poker terms. Despite of that, i made a few plays late in the tournament i felt i "had too, becuase it's +EV" when i could have easily folded my way into the money. It's not regret as i felt i played the hands well and in a +EV manner, but if i knew what i know now, I certainly would have considered making an alternate play or just nitting it up a little and folding more. I know this isn't exactly what you are talking about either... Basically you are saying that some tournament situations rarely reach the long term, we shouldn't rely totally or at all on EV. However, how will you know if a call is good/bad long term if you don't know the EV of situations? I think we should still be concerned with EV but then make adjustments to that based on risk/reward and what the tournament means to us individually. [/QUOTE]
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