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I keep making stupid moves in tournaments, i know what i do it's not good play, but i still do it. I understand that i should fold in current spot, but i say "ah, whatever and i push all in" ? Like wtf ? I mean i care about how i play, but at the same time i make irrational decisions. I seems like i cant control myself, and somebody hijack my mind and do these stupid things. Im not even tilted when i do it, i be like "ah, whatever".

Does anyone experience the same thing ? What is this called ? How can i fix it ? Because no matter if i study the theory, these mental mistakes ruin me.
 
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It is a form of tilt, since you are not playing your A-game. The solution I think will be very personal. If its because, you dont care about the money at stake, then maybe move up, where you are not as easily feeling bored. Or do the exact opposite and implement strict bankroll management. Even if you can afford to make the occational new deposit, then force yourself to not do it. Deposit whatever amount is a reasonable starting bankroll for you, and then set your monthly deposit limit to 0. In that way losing some of your bankroll will force you to move down (or even stop playing), which you might care enough about to become better forcused.
 
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Reset your stats on sharkscope, and try as they register every tourney it could work as a motivator to play well on small stakes, By keeping your stats respectable. Just a suggestion.

Then this brilliant phrase from Forrest Gump : Stupid is what stupid does
 
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Yes, many of us have been there. At the end of the day, the stakes you are playing are too low and the impact of the losses on your plans are close to zero. So in the end, these bad calls "don't really matter".
So here are some options:

1) Stop playing poker. Seriously, poker requires discipline. If you lack discipline, you will never be aa good poker player...just a lucky one.

2) Move up stakes. (This will only work for some). The larger stakes will have a bigger impact on your plans for poker domination. The losses will be felt more keenly. This *might* give you the unction to show some humility.

3) Do something else while you're playing. I play some of my best poker whilst I'm doing the laundry, cooking dinner, etc. I do not get bored waiting around for an interesting hand and only play the hands that fit within my target range.

4) Play more games simultaneously. A big part of the "just call it and see" mentality is simply boredom. If you play poker for fun, excitement, adrenaline, etc... and the wins give you a bump of dopamine, then you might need your focus filled to capacity. I find three to four games works...but more generally requires more screens.. Playing more games simultaneously will force you to focus on the hands which have merit and will get you more into the routine of folding the crap you should be usually folding.

5) Reprogram your brain. Think of it this way. You've gone down to the races. You are allowed to make just 5 bets over the course of the day. Do you: Put it all on the first random, three-legged horse you see? Do you put your money on the favourites? Do you put your money on the lame pony on his way to the glue factory? Surely you put your money on the horse with the best chance of winning. Poker is no different. Each hand is a horse. Putting your money on lame duck just doesn't make any financial or spiritual sense. So why would you do it in poker?

6) Is winning at poker actually part of your plan? Sounds to me that you just play for a bit of fun. If that is the case, you might as well carry on as you are, spewing chips like a leaky hydrant gushes water. But if winning at poker is in your sights, then you have to do ALL OF THE THINGS which help you win at poker: Study poker theory. Read articles, blogs, etc. Do the CC 30 day poker course. Manage your bankroll with proper BRM and stick to it. Set a plan for growth and for moving up in stakes (commensurate with your BRM ). Co,mpile COPIOUS notes on your opponents.

6.5) This is kindo of related to 6)...as it contributes to player notes. Get yourself o HUD such as PT4 or HM3. Continue to add to the notes. Review the notes during play. Pay attention to the stats during play. This will help you classify the opponents (Fish, LAG, TAG, NIT, etc). and makes it easier to avoid the NITs altogether (unless you have counter-strats).

7) Find discipline in the rest of your life. The only way discipline can be achieved is through effort. So, show yourself that YOU are in control. start doing something outside of poker which requires singificant discipline. For example, going for a walk/run/hike every day (or every other day). Or a swim or somethjing that will contribute to physiucal fitness. Sticking with the plan? Then add another challenge. Stick to it. Reward yourself when you are successful. I have found that good eating, sleeping and exercise habits help my game...and whn these are off...so is my game.

8) recognise the difference between winning a tournament and winning a hand. Those stupid calls give you a brief blip of dopamine...but winning a tourney is MUCH MUCH BETTER. I played the CC individual league for the first time the other day and came first place by following discipline.

At then end of the day, I'm more than happy to have undisciplined players at my table. But honestly, if you cannot find it...and the above doesn't work...I'd suggest a different pastime.

Best of luck,
JT
 
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Oh, one more... Join CC team league. I find, when my performance impacts other people, I'm mopre responsible with my play. Maybe this will work for you.
 
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It sounds like you don't care much about losing your registration money or you have a lot of money to play with.
 
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Stop playing poker. Seriously, poker requires discipline. If you lack discipline, you will never be aa good poker player...just a lucky one.
I don't want to quit poker just because of that. I like the game. But yes, i need more disciple, i need to work on that.

Do something else while you're playing. I play some of my best poker whilst I'm doing the laundry, cooking dinner, etc. I do not get bored waiting around for an interesting hand and only play the hands that fit within my target range.
Yes. That can help me. Because if im not getting good hand i become bored and i "push the action", play with very wide range ...

Move up stakes. (This will only work for some). The larger stakes will have a bigger impact on your plans for poker domination. The losses will be felt more keenly. This *might* give you the unction to show some humility.
That can work. Because right now, i don't feel big loss if i loose 1$ buyin mtt. My plan was to move up in stakes when i get better. But i agree, maybe if i put more money on the line i will force myself to focus more on playing good poker.
 
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Yes. That can help me. Because if im not getting good hand i become bored and i "push the action", play with very wide range ...
As already stated a good solution to that is multitabling.
That can work. Because right now, i don't feel big loss if i loose 1$ buyin mtt. My plan was to move up in stakes when i get better. But i agree, maybe if i put more money on the line i will force myself to focus more on playing good poker.
The idea of "proving yourself" at very low stakes like 1$ to remove any risk of significant monetary losses is not a bad one. However if you are not playing well, because you dont care about losing 1$, then you will never build that track record (and bankroll), which allows you to move up. And then the idea is obviously pointless.

For me personally there need to be a reasonable relation between the money at stake and the amount of time, it takes to complete a tournament. For a tournament with 10 minute blind intervals it often takes something like 3 hours, before we are even in the money, and if that min-cash is only worth 0,87$, because its a 1,1$ MTT, I am not very excited about that either. Sure we can run deeper and maybe reach the final table, but in fields of 1.000 or more, thats going to be rare, even if the opponents are bad.

So in my opinion slow MTTs with 10 minute blind intervals works best, when you have a bankroll of 500$ or more. So either decide to give yourself such a larger starting bankroll, if thats an option. Or forget about these slow MTTs, until you have build a track record, and start with SnGs or maybe some turbo MTTs preferably with small fields, so you can reach the final table regularly.

On pokerstars the 1$ on demand SnGs are kind of ideal, since they rarely last more than two hours, and you can reach a final table in 1 out of 5 or slightly more, if you are a winning player. Another option would be the 1,1$ on demand PKO, which is a turbo and usually reach ITM after 1½ hour or so, plus you might already have won some bounties. Or you can go even further and play single table SnGs.
 
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Hello, NLstudent! I can to say You an one thing: You are not First, and You are not Last in these mistakes...
Because such is created a Human: he repeats the same mistakes!.. Therefore I can wish You only Good Luck in this difficult case!
 
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Master the basic mathematics of poker. Learn to evaluate pot odds. Remember that luck in poker is not the main thing. With luck, you can win one day or even a week, but in the long run, you will need certain knowledge and skills to win. Many gamblers tend to attribute their wins to their own talents and their losses to bad luck, leading them to overestimate their level of skill. Risking money that could lead to disastrous consequences is not the best solution. You will be under very strong psychological pressure. This pressure will inevitably affect the quality of your decisions during the game.Many beginners are so caught up in their cards that they forget to analyze their opponents. Remember: the decisions you make during the game depend not only on your cards, but also on the actions of other players. Try to understand the logic of the game of your opponents, penetrate into the course of their thoughts.
 
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We all suffer from this. When I have many bad runs in a row, I start betting "all in" with whatever cards I have.:cry:
 
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Master the basic mathematics of poker. Learn to evaluate pot odds. Remember that luck in poker is not the main thing. With luck, you can win one day or even a week, but in the long run, you will need certain knowledge and skills to win. Many gamblers tend to attribute their wins to their own talents and their losses to bad luck, leading them to overestimate their level of skill. Risking money that could lead to disastrous consequences is not the best solution. You will be under very strong psychological pressure. This pressure will inevitably affect the quality of your decisions during the game.Many beginners are so caught up in their cards that they forget to analyze their opponents. Remember: the decisions you make during the game depend not only on your cards, but also on the actions of other players. Try to understand the logic of the game of your opponents, penetrate into the course of their thoughts.
I agree with you. But now the main problem is not that i don't understand theory. It's some mental errors in me. I know what i should do, but i don't do it....
 
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We all suffer from this. When I have many bad runs in a row, I start betting "all in" with whatever cards I have.:cry:
We need to work on our mental game right ? :)
 
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mind control and concentration . shit happens haha
 
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I think everyone has this and it happened just you just need to play on days when you are rested and there is no fatigue and control the most important thing is that you simply do not control yourself while playing and are emotional because of this you make such mistakes
 
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Its not always tilt, I think you are trying to pressure in certain spots, its what I try to do too, Yesterday I jammed 77 on the bubble after UTG raised, I feel like he can have AK/AK and even some smaller pairs he might fold if its the right player, some just stack off instantly with any pair/ AK - AT though. just make a note of it, and then you know they don't fold set hands.
 
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I keep making stupid moves in tournaments, i know what i do it's not good play, but i still do it. I understand that i should fold in current spot, but i say "ah, whatever and i push all in" ? Like wtf ? I mean i care about how i play
Now, there's a contradiction.

I've just bumped into a person like you

As chip leader with 12k moved all in with AA.

Called and beaten by second chip leader... who just couldn't put a premium hand like 4-2 suited down.
 
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Now, there's a contradiction.

I've just bumped into a person like you

As chip leader with 12k moved all in with AA.

Called and beaten by second chip leader... who just couldn't put a premium hand like 4-2 suited down.
sad to admit, but sounds like me... i definetly made calls with 42 when i was chip leader or second...
 
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I think it's common, normal and human.
nobody is perfect and deep down most of us are losers, not to say that we like to lose, but it's a game that few manage to be so effective and profitable.
don't demand so much from you, be patient with yourself and your game.(y)(y)(y)
 
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I keep making stupid moves in tournaments, i know what i do it's not good play, but i still do it. I understand that i should fold in current spot, but i say "ah, whatever and i push all in" ? Like wtf ? I mean i care about how i play, but at the same time i make irrational decisions. I seems like i cant control myself, and somebody hijack my mind and do these stupid things. Im not even tilted when i do it, i be like "ah, whatever".

Does anyone experience the same thing ? What is this called ? How can i fix it ? Because no matter if i study the theory, these mental mistakes ruin me.
I don't know if it will work for you, but try to remove as many distractions as possible while you're playing. Music, television, conversations in the background... once you're stabilized with these things, you'll probably be able to include them again as you'll be making the correct folds naturally
 
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There is a big plus. At least you understand your problem. Perhaps you simply do not have a goal that would motivate you to play properly in poker and not in bingo.
 
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I keep making stupid moves in tournaments, i know what i do it's not good play, but i still do it. I understand that i should fold in current spot, but i say "ah, whatever and i push all in" ? Like wtf ? I mean i care about how i play, but at the same time i make irrational decisions. I seems like i cant control myself, and somebody hijack my mind and do these stupid things. Im not even tilted when i do it, i be like "ah, whatever".

Does anyone experience the same thing ? What is this called ? How can i fix it ? Because no matter if i study the theory, these mental mistakes ruin me.
I have experienced the same thing for quite some time, calling when I know that I am beat, I think it is a product of competitiveness plus the possibility the opponent is bluffing, to combat my silly moves I have a postit note on my computer screen which says" STOP and THINK< WHAT could he have??
 
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I think you should keep calm and you should think about every action of your hand. fold if it´s fold
 
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What tournaments are you playing? That attitude is consistent with someone who doesn't care about losses, isn't it?
 
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