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Message: [QUOTE="Four Dogs, post: 379300, member: 2668"] To me the bet is saying "back off. I have a good hand, but not the nuts, and i don't want to play out of position against you". An experienced player wouldn't want to push too hard with a hand with any real earning potential. Which means I'm probably ahead, but if I call its a coin toss. A bad player, as Freak pointed out, may think that's the way you play a high pair. My scenario assumes that neither player has a good read on the other. As I said before, I'm not inclined to call this huge bet without some more information. Not at this stage in the game. As J.Led pointed out, different hands have different values to different players and that its a mistake to believe that there's anything like a "General" betting pattern. This is true, but there are some betting patterns which most experienced players generally agree are good and some that are not. In fact, the only way a bluff can succeed is if there is some consensus on how certain hands should be played. If there weren't, nobody would recognize your bluff for what you are representing. There MUST be some truth to your bluff. Where is the truth in a 6xBB bet against 1 opponent? Under what real conditions should an experienced player make this bet. The answer that makes the most sense to me, so far, is Robs. Assuming that the BB has a good read on his opponent and believes this obnoxious raise will reak of a steal, the overbet with a Monster makes perfect sense. But really, considering the limp from middle position you should have no good reason to believe that your bet will be called even if it is seen as a pot grab. If the original better had raised preflop, then there would be more reason to assume your bet will be called. The more I think about it the fishier it seems. It just doesn't match any quality betting patterns. [/QUOTE]

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