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you are from BB, UTG opened with 3bb, you have QQ, and 3bet to 9BB...
UTG goes All IN...
what to do?

It happened in a tournament 3 times while I was in CL, I fell out of the tournament until I was eliminated IN THE BUBBLE.

in 2 of the opportunities I had QQ, and in the other 10 10...
I lost all three. for a larger pair. There is a world where you fold hands like this pre flop.
 
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There's a lot of pertinent information missing but, generally speaking, it is essentially a snap call (in my opinion).
 
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Missing needed info. Here's the main to situations or my thoughts on the matter.....

1) Unless it's a sat for a ticket and you have the ticket already locked up it's generally a snap call. But then I don't play to min cash or pad my ITM%.

2) The only other time I'd even possibly consider folding is if villain has a VPIP under 10-12 over decent size sample of hands. That villain is only raising AA and KK all-in from UTG. Also depends on what my stack size is. If I'm 10bb or under....then it's screw it let it rip all-in anyways.

3) If it's a bounty or pko MTT and you're the big stack vs small stack villain obviously you're calling.


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you are from BB, UTG opened with 3bb, you have QQ, and 3bet to 9BB...
UTG goes All IN...
what to do?

It happened in a tournament 3 times while I was in CL, I fell out of the tournament until I was eliminated IN THE BUBBLE.

in 2 of the opportunities I had QQ, and in the other 10 10...
I lost all three. for a larger pair. There is a world where you fold hands like this pre flop.
I always call in that situation, hoping I'm not again AA or KK 😅
 
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There's a lot of pertinent information missing but, generally speaking, it is essentially a snap call (in my opinion).
What information are you looking for to make this call?
 
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What information are you looking for to make this call?
What information am I looking for during play to make decisions..? :unsure:

ALL OF IT- EVERYTHING.


Haha.. Just kidding.

With the brief details you proved- I would likely call on the majority of occasions, and fold a small percentage of the time. Probably around 90-10 or so.

Here is your post:-

you are from BB, UTG opened with 3bb, you have QQ, and 3bet to 9BB...
UTG goes All IN...
what to do?

It happened in a tournament 3 times while I was in CL, I fell out of the tournament until I was eliminated IN THE BUBBLE.

in 2 of the opportunities I had QQ, and in the other 10 10...
I lost all three. for a larger pair. There is a world where you fold hands like this pre flop.

Having just reread it again there's a lot to pick up on that I missed first time round, nuances you could say... :giggle:

So, although I noticed and understood more about the post the second time around- the aforementioned 'pertinent info' is still lacking when it comes to reviewing a Hand History, providing a reply as to how we might play the spot and/or offer feedback on your desicions.

Once upon a time, I probably would have at this point attempted to list all the different fields/variables possible (to exhaustion) in attempt to demonstrate how surprisingly-many factors there are in any given poker hand.

It is astute to be aware of and understand at least some of the implications. If not imperative!

So rather than giving in to my automatic impulse to be a smartarse* jerk**, I'll offer the most vital information missing and some convenient ways to post/share a Hand History (HH) instead. :unsure:

Stack sizes.

You do mention later in the post that you'd been the CL (chip leader yes? :giggle:) so we can somewhat safely presume you had the villian covered, but we have no idea by how much or how many big blinds we'd be left with if we call and lost. In NLHE effective stack size is crucial all the time, but especially so when facing an all-in or shoving ourselves.

So that's what I'd suggest is the most important detail absent.

Some quick and easy ways to capture & share a HH or spot are...

1.) Take a screenshot. You can do this when facing a decision (i.e. before you fold/call so readers can see the exact scenario you were facing) and at the end of the hand, or even both so you can post the spot first and wait until after people have responded before revealing the outcome. People seem to enjoy posts like that, I know I do! :) If you want really detailed feedback it can be worth screenshotting the game lobby too.

2.) Click and copy the link that most (if not all) the poker platforms have for retrieving/referencing a hand. (Off the top of my head it's usually an icon with three connected dots but I'd need to double check that)

3.) Highlight and copy the text data of the hand from start to finish via the chat window. You can then post/share it that basic form, or (even better) then use this...

Use the CardsChat Hand Converter/Replayer to analyze your tournament hands!

This concludes our meander into the surrealist world of Hand Histories. :giggle:

With regards to you happening to lose a few preflop all-ins (in a row) when ahead and dropping from CL to bubble boy- I wouldn't sweat it too much or overthink it. Just happens sometimes.

If you're consistently getting it all-in QQ vs 1010 you have very little to worry about in the long run. You might lose three in a row sometimes, but you will be raking in huge pots ~80%+ of the time when you've run the spot enough times! ;)

I beg everyone's forgiveness for the War & Peace post...! 🙏:confused:

tl;dr- Need full hand data please, in order to give constructive/relevant replies. :geek:

*Apologies for that proclivity, it is being worked on!
** For those who don't know me- If this is what I'm like when consciously trying not to be an arrogant A-HAT, imagine what I was like before..! xD
 
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Snap call all day long ( based on the information provided)
 
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What information am I looking for during play to make decisions..? :unsure:

ALL OF IT- EVERYTHING.


Haha.. Just kidding.

With the brief details you proved- I would likely call on the majority of occasions, and fold a small percentage of the time. Probably around 90-10 or so.

Here is your post:-



Having just reread it again there's a lot to pick up on that I missed first time round, nuances you could say... :giggle:

So, although I noticed and understood more about the post the second time around- the aforementioned 'pertinent info' is still lacking when it comes to reviewing a Hand History, providing a reply as to how we might play the spot and/or offer feedback on your desicions.

Once upon a time, I probably would have at this point attempted to list all the different fields/variables possible (to exhaustion) in attempt to demonstrate how surprisingly-many factors there are in any given poker hand.

It is astute to be aware of and understand at least some of the implications. If not imperative!

So rather than giving in to my automatic impulse to be a smartarse* jerk**, I'll offer the most vital information missing and some convenient ways to post/share a Hand History (HH) instead. :unsure:

Stack sizes.

You do mention later in the post that you'd been the CL (chip leader yes? :giggle:) so we can somewhat safely presume you had the villian covered, but we have no idea by how much or how many big blinds we'd be left with if we call and lost. In NLHE effective stack size is crucial all the time, but especially so when facing an all-in or shoving ourselves.

So that's what I'd suggest is the most important detail absent.

Some quick and easy ways to capture & share a HH or spot are...

1.) Take a screenshot. You can do this when facing a decision (i.e. before you fold/call so readers can see the exact scenario you were facing) and at the end of the hand, or even both so you can post the spot first and wait until after people have responded before revealing the outcome. People seem to enjoy posts like that, I know I do! :) If you want really detailed feedback it can be worth screenshotting the game lobby too.

2.) Click and copy the link that most (if not all) the poker platforms have for retrieving/referencing a hand. (Off the top of my head it's usually an icon with three connected dots but I'd need to double check that)

3.) Highlight and copy the text data of the hand from start to finish via the chat window. You can then post/share it that basic form, or (even better) then use this...

Use the CardsChat Hand Converter/Replayer to analyze your tournament hands!

This concludes our meander into the surrealist world of Hand Histories. :giggle:

With regards to you happening to lose a few preflop all-ins (in a row) when ahead and dropping from CL to bubble boy- I wouldn't sweat it too much or overthink it. Just happens sometimes.

If you're consistently getting it all-in QQ vs 1010 you have very little to worry about in the long run. You might lose three in a row sometimes, but you will be raking in huge pots ~80%+ of the time when you've run the spot enough times! ;)

I beg everyone's forgiveness for the War & Peace post...! 🙏:confused:

tl;dr- Need full hand data please, in order to give constructive/relevant replies. :geek:

*Apologies for that proclivity, it is being worked on!
** For those who don't know me- If this is what I'm like when consciously trying not to be an arrogant A-HAT, imagine what I was like before..! xD
Thank you very much for dissecting these possibilities, I'm new to poker, I was just looking for an answer like this. Next time I will try to bring more information, prints, replays...
 
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Thank you very much for dissecting these possibilities, I'm new to poker, I was just looking for an answer like this. Next time I will try to bring more information, prints, replays...
You're doing great, and don't worry about it at all- it's a learning curve that we've all been through... :giggle: (y)

Poker is similar to life in many ways, and in this moment the parrallel (or similarity) that pops to mind for me is the devil is in the details... :LOL:

You don't have to go overboard (like in the way that I demonstrably and regularly fail to resist doing :ROFLMAO:), but in order to have a really productive discussion about a specific poker hand or decision, the bare minimum required is the lay of the land on your table at that given point in time, so-

What is the current level/blinds?
How many players are at the table?
What are the stack sizes and positions?
What action has there been?
Who is still left to act?

All of the above can be captured in one screenshot of the table, which is quick and convenient.

Further information is great too (albeit not essential), for example if you have any history on the villains or have noticed any tendencies or play styles at the table.

Basically anything that can give an understanding as to what the precise situation was like ( no two are exactly alike ;) ).


An analogy sprung to mind...

On my way out the door I call over to you 'Hey Pabetv I'm heading out and am going to pick up some dinner for us both. On my route I'm going past two restaurants. The first is an interesting cuisine, it's quite reasonably priced, they have four options on the main menu and a handful of desserts you can choose from. The second place does a kind of obscure and exotic food but it's a bit more expensive. At that place you can choose from; 5 starters, 10 main courses and 3 desserts...'

'Sooooo, which place do you want food from and what's your order? Tell me now and I'll bring it back for you' :giggle:
 
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Snap call - no brainer.

A lot of the time you will be faced with lesser hands against you than KK or AA - in more likelihood its going to be AK or a smaller PP especially if the All in is big stacked and is looking to isolate. i had a similar play last night v Billiboo in silver freeroll who was 27k or so in chips and i was 2.7k or so - (cant exactly remember) - i had QQ and regardless of position - im in.
i lost the flip but it was a good play by both of us.
 
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Snap call - no brainer.

A lot of the time you will be faced with lesser hands against you than KK or AA - in more likelihood its going to be AK or a smaller PP especially if the All in is big stacked and is looking to isolate. i had a similar play last night v Billiboo in silver freeroll who was 27k or so in chips and i was 2.7k or so - (cant exactly remember) - i had QQ and regardless of position - im in.
i lost the flip but it was a good play by both of us.
i think the same
 
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You're doing great, and don't worry about it at all- it's a learning curve that we've all been through... :giggle: (y)

Poker is similar to life in many ways, and in this moment the parrallel (or similarity) that pops to mind for me is the devil is in the details... :LOL:

You don't have to go overboard (like in the way that I demonstrably and regularly fail to resist doing :ROFLMAO:), but in order to have a really productive discussion about a specific poker hand or decision, the bare minimum required is the lay of the land on your table at that given point in time, so-

What is the current level/blinds?
How many players are at the table?
What are the stack sizes and positions?
What action has there been?
Who is still left to act?

All of the above can be captured in one screenshot of the table, which is quick and convenient.

Further information is great too (albeit not essential), for example if you have any history on the villains or have noticed any tendencies or play styles at the table.

Basically anything that can give an understanding as to what the precise situation was like ( no two are exactly alike ;) ).


An analogy sprung to mind...

On my way out the door I call over to you 'Hey Pabetv I'm heading out and am going to pick up some dinner for us both. On my route I'm going past two restaurants. The first is an interesting cuisine, it's quite reasonably priced, they have four options on the main menu and a handful of desserts you can choose from. The second place does a kind of obscure and exotic food but it's a bit more expensive. At that place you can choose from; 5 starters, 10 main courses and 3 desserts...'

'Sooooo, which place do you want food from and what's your order? Tell me now and I'll bring it back for you' :giggle:

Wow, with that analogy you went FAR... hahaha, but I think I understand what you're getting at.
 
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They could all be folds... they could all be calls <--- this is how much it matters to have all the information.
Follow the hand history posting guidelines and you'll get better responses
 
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Wow, with that analogy you went FAR... hahaha, but I think I understand what you're getting at.
Thanks for bearing with me and the circuitous/scenic routes I struggle to resist meandering through... :ROFLMAO:

Essentially choosing what to have for dinner is going to be a bit of a random/lucky dip type affair if you don't know what types of food the two restaurants serve, how much anything costs or what specific items are on the menu.

So I just picked you up a set menu dinner for 1... You owe me $29.99. :D ;)

Poker is a game of incomplete information, so during play it can be difficult to deduce whether any given play will have a positive or negative expected value.

However in retropsect/analysis, if a hand goes to showdown, we have ALL the information and therefore can see precisely how 'good' or 'bad' our decision was.

One of the key secrets/tricks to being a winning/profitable player is learning to consistently put chips in the pot in +EV situations, and avoiding investing chips when it's -EV.

That is obviously easier said than done sometimes, but in successfully doing so ending up in profit (in the long run) is a mathematical certainty. ;)

This is why when breaking down a hand it's imperative to have (at the very least) all the relevant data. The more detail and additional information/observations- the better! ;) (y)
 
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