$ NL O MTT: What mistakes do you see here?

[Chica_bonita]

Game

Omaha

Game Format

No Limit

Table Format

MTT

Freeroll

1. Freeroll

PFR

0

Currency

$

So, it's the start of the tournament, the blinds are low, so I decided I could call to see the flop and, lo and behold! I hit the flop and caught full house.

But what's next? Actually, when I called, I was considering the possibility of straight or set. Thinking about the fact that one of the opponents has a pocket pair of 88, I decided to check. But on the turn, the situation worsened, because besides the pocket pair of 88, I could also be threatened by JJ (3 more outs). The opponent makes a bet, but it seemed to me that this bet is quite small, although this could be explained by the size of his stack. Anyway, I decided to do a re-reise to try to understand the power of his combination. His bet on the turn made me think that he might just be pushing Flush-drow, but he went All-in and at that moment, I decided to call since his stack is lower than mine, but I have a pretty good chance. Here are my thoughts on that.

Anyway, I thought it was a really interesting game, but since I definitely did everything wrong, I decided to show it here. I'm wondering at what stage I made mistakes, apart from the fact that I probably shouldn't have called at all with this set of cards. Why did the opponent decide to go All-in, because it's a plo, there are too many risks. Should I have flopped?[

 

[monkeytilter]

Oh my God where to start🤣

I'm going to be very critical here, don't take it personally, just see it as an opportunity to fix some major leaks in your game.

I have to say I'm not a PLO expert and have even less NLO experience, but I have pretty decent poker sense in most games.

Rather than go into microscopic detail (there are other things I've picked up on) here are two big take-aways that you can apply to your whole Omaha game..
#1 Fold that junk hand preflop.
You decided to 'see a flop', but with this hand you are unlikely to hit anything that you will want to play a big pot with and this a NO LIMIT game, all the chips can go in at any time. With Omaha you have 4 cards that you want to work together. Here you have two separate crappy holdem hands that are going to make bad (non-nut) straights that will get you busted. Compare this to a hand like AQJ9 with two suits. You now have AQ AJ QJ Q9 J9 for straights and two flush chances, not to mention high card potential with the AQ AJ to make strong top pairs/trips/full houses. See the difference?

Don't play to just 'see what happens'. all the other fish are doing this, you can gain the advantage on them by not doing this.

#2 Don't slow play.
You hit a miracle on the flop, time to get maximum value with it. Generally it's a bad idea to slow play at Omaha, the nuts can change street to street and you don't want to give free cards away when you have a very strong hand that could get outdrawn. You shouldn't be worried about not being ahead here, 88 is just one combination of hands (with you holding an 8 and another 8 on the board). Compare this to the mass of combinations that can call you here, all the gutshots and open ended straight draws and possible over pairs that are NEVER folding in a freeroll. So put a big bet in (somewhere around pot), looking to get stacks in at some point. Again on the turn don't be afraid to get your stack in, there are very few combinations of JJ compared to the dozens of other hands that can call you now (look what they ended up getting all in with!)

Hope this helps, I look forward to other opinions, you might get some more risk averse answers that will advise more caution post flop but I think in a freeroll far from the money you should be going for maximum value in this spot once you hit big

 

[eetenor]

So, it's the start of the tournament, the blinds are low, so I decided I could call to see the flop and, lo and behold! I hit the flop and caught full house.

But what's next? Actually, when I called, I was considering the possibility of straight or set. Thinking about the fact that one of the opponents has a pocket pair of 88, I decided to check. But on the turn, the situation worsened, because besides the pocket pair of 88, I could also be threatened by JJ (3 more outs). The opponent makes a bet, but it seemed to me that this bet is quite small, although this could be explained by the size of his stack. Anyway, I decided to do a re-reise to try to understand the power of his combination. His bet on the turn made me think that he might just be pushing Flush-drow, but he went All-in and at that moment, I decided to call since his stack is lower than mine, but I have a pretty good chance. Here are my thoughts on that.

Anyway, I thought it was a really interesting game, but since I definitely did everything wrong, I decided to show it here. I'm wondering at what stage I made mistakes, apart from the fact that I probably shouldn't have called at all with this set of cards. Why did the opponent decide to go All-in, because it's a plo, there are too many risks. Should I have flopped?[

Poker unlike other gambling games allows us to use our skills to increase our winning edge so ask yourself what skill did you use to limp this very weak NLO hand?
The skills I refer to when limping hands are:
1 Limping hands that are flopping strong nut hands that will stack other players--we flop strongest they flop second strongest--is this likely with this hand?
2 They flop good made hands we flop good draws vs those hands--- 9852 rainbow what are our post flop strong draws?
3 We flop good hands and V have difficulty out drawing those hands---the frequency of that is low for us as our hand is just too weak to flop good hands that cannot be beaten. Yes we can flop quads and full houses but not often and our full houses can be cracked.
4 etc etc It is a good exercise to think thru what makes a limping hand strong in NLO

You state it is early this is why I limped but the Blinds are 75-150 and the big blind has 11bb---that factor is much more important than anything else---effective stacks determines our actions. NLO means the BB can shove preflop we cannot call why limp?

In Omaha equities run close even with the best hands we do not want to enter pots with hands that can make hands post flop and be crushed by 8 other cards in 2 Villains holdings- equity vs equity.

Foundation in NLO is everything we start with weak ranges- most often we end up second best for pots far larger than we wanted to play.

As played
You limped a very weak NLO hand that hits a full house but is not the locked down nuts ---bet it--if everyone folds this is a very good win for us we stole the blinds great. The pot is 3 way and we are on the BTN we will have some blind stealing bets on this flop therefore our V cannot fold everything, so we get value as well not just folds. On a paired board few V will draw to flushes and straights on the turn when we bet anyway so checking does not win us a lot more.

If we bet the flop we get the same result from this V but we may have picked up some chips from the SB when we bet, they call our 1/3 pot bet and then the BB shoves.

As I stated at the top this is a very dangerous limp the BB had a 5 and better kickers had we hit the 5 only we lose a big pot.
Your hand is a very easily dominated hand with few redraws when dominated, not a good limp at all.

Nice win but do not think because everything happened perfectly for you that the limp was a good play. The frequency of this outcome is very low; therefore, we would lose more often than win when making this play.