How would you play KK in mtt given this?

[Silverseas]

Day 1A mtt, $400 entry fee. 30000 starting stack. Hero has 230000 chips, bag in 1 more level and 2 minutes. 40 minute levels. Blinds 1500 2500 2500. You are now 6 seated. You are 3rd in chip size at your table. 3 have 20bb or less so shove candidates
Utg open limps 2500. He is 2nd in chips at 300000.

You have KK. You do not know how to read the limp as he normally opened raised.
You raise 7500. You want to I toce the smaller stacks to shove
All fold to the BB, who is chip leader at table with 400000. He calls. He is a local pro, strong player 1 million plus on Hendon.

Utg also calls.

Pot size is 24000.

Flop 2d, 3d, and 9c.

Both check to you. Hero decides to over bet pot to just end hand. 40000., and not give pot odds for flush draw. Hero has no diamond.

BB folds. Utg calls

Turn is J d. So flush got there

Utg checks. Hero checked back. Pot control.

River 7s.

Utg bets 40000.

You think he hit flush, or maybe set, but could also have a pair or A diamond who missed but now bluff.

Hero calls. Utg had K 3 d. Wins

Hero was able to recover last level and goes into day 2 this Sunday with 38 bb.

But would you have played this differently?

Thanks.

Tim

 

[fundiver199]

Preflop
When you are almost 100BB deep, I would isolate to a larger size than just 3BB.

Flop
I would definitely bet this flop when checked to, but I dont like an overbet. And I especially dont like your rationale, which is completely flawed. You are way to concerned with protection, which is a secondary thing compared to getting value. When you think, you have the best hand, the goal is never to end the hand but to win as many chips as possible.

Also when you overbet the pot, some of the only hands, that are getting the odds to continue, are exactly flushdraws, while you will force people to fold out all their marginal made hands, which you are way ahead off. And of course there is also the chance, you dont have the best hand, so you dont want to just mindlessly pile in all the chips with just one pair. What if you get raised? Are you then going to stack off or fold?

Turn
As played you need to check back now.

River
As played an easy call.

Results
So you ended up losing to a flush, and this is completely ok. Its part of the game. What is far more important is to make good decisions throughout the hand, and in this hand your overbet on the flop was a significant mistake. If you want to be results oriented, then a smaller bet on the flop could have saved you a significant amount of chips, because then his river bet also come in smaller.

 

[fundiver199]

By the way there is an error in the hand history, since 3d is both on the board and in the opponents hand. But maybe the flop was 2d 3c 9d. Then everything makes sense

 

[SpanRmonka]

I thought the same as @fundiver199 when I read your post. Don't overbet the pot. You are battling the other large stacks here, so also battle your hope to end the hand here, instead accept that yiu have to play it through, and value bet small but with pot control in mind.

Lets say this goes the other way, and flush does not come in, or there is no player on a flush draw. When flush doesn't come in, you can bet small again and potentially get value on turn, then check back river and win a decent pot.

When player has no draw, he either continues with top pair or worse, which is great, or just folds and you take it down. The big bet doesn't really help you accomplish anything a smaller bet wouldn't. But as mentioned can fold out worse hands who may call when behind.

Nicely done making Day 2 BTW, and good luck! Let us know how it went!!

 

[fundiver199]

Dont know is that was the issue here, but its easy to get into a state of entitlement tilt with premium hands like KK. Like "OMG I have KK, so I need to win this pot". But against two opponents KK only has something like 50% equity preflop depending on their exact ranges. So our expectation going 3-ways to the flop should be, that we are going to lose this hand half the time.

The flop was one of the best for our hand other than flopping a set, since there was no ace, no natural two pair and no flopped straight or flush. So now our expectation should increase to winning the hand most of the time. But we are almost 100 BB deep with ICM implications, so we still need to pot control, and this begin on the flop not the turn.

If we pile all the chips in, we are usually going to be against a range of sets and big draws and not much else. Whereas if for instance someone has 44-88, which could be a big part of UTGs limp-calling range, then they are just going to fold, when we overbet the pot. So by overbetting we win the minimum, when we are far ahead and lose the maximum, when we are behind to a set or flipping with a big draw.

 

[Poker Orifice]

Allin preflop. End it right away!

 

[makisaa]

You tried to end the hand overbetting but didn't have result, hand continued and he got his flush. Maybe when you saw these two diamonds from the beginning you could be more conservative, but the KK needs to play it aggressively!

 

[eetenor]

Three way pots default to smaller sizing is often fine here so 33% of pot on flop- The reasons are:we could face a check raise here and we want to call a smaller check raise sizing KK no diamond vs BB possible combo draw is not a big favorite and BB has 22 33 more often than we do as well- We want to keep ranges wide when called so that if the turn is clean we can then big bet for value and equity denial--With a small flop bet V who have made hands do not want to fold vs your possible AK on turn.

So the smaller sizing is a protection bet where as, as stated in another post the over bet is more risky as it puts more of our stack in jeopardy.

 

[ADRI7HO]

I like to play KK strong, giving him value preflop and on the flop, so I play the villain for a stack on the turn at the latest.

 

[feisas7991]

didnt read further, but no overbets and no poting allowed on this flop.
max u can bet is 66 to 75
3way this board is range bet for u so id mostly mix between 20 and 66 with entire range