Is this a good line for me

[mattmax]

its a freeroll tournament at WPT global he is look like honest player from move he was done.There only two player other play AFK on the table with 200BB effective stack and ante i m at button i limp with j4o he raise to 4BB i call the flop jack of diamond 74 of space i bet for 33% the turn is a club i bet for 50% and the river is a 5 of heart i over bet 125% he raise me to 4time(90BB) bigger i go allin is there any space to fold?

 

[Huntre]

I think river rerase, if it was instant, is a good place to start thinking of fold.

 

[ph_il]

is there any space to fold?

preflop.

 

[Martin]

What was the purpose of the original limp in the first place? If you're on the button and thinking of doing anything other than folding with that hand then you have to raise to try to steal the blinds. You hit a lucky flop but your bet should have been a lot more than 33% especially with two spades on the board more likely a shove for me. The turn gives him a little hope with the straight draw, when he's calling your bets you have to be wondering what he's calling with, even as the hand is played you making the overbet on the river and getting reraised you should be getting away from it with the straight combinations.

 

[hilary antonik filho]

I would have gone all in after the flop, missed the opportunity and the game

 

[fundiver199]

Preflop
There is no need for a limping strategy from BTN, when you are playing with deep stacks. This is something, good players will occationally do with 20BB but not with 170BB. If you want to be loose, you can raise all suited JX hands and J9+, but J4o is just garbage and should be folded.

Flop
Obviously a good flop and especially with stacks this deep and in a freeroll I dont see any reason to just bet 1/3 pot. While you are almost certainly ahead now, there are many future cards, that are bad for you by completing draws, counterfeiting you or creating possibilities for a better two pair. So you want to get as much money as possible into the pot right now, before the board screw you in some way.

Turn
65 got there, but thats just one hand, and you are highly likely to still be ahead. So once again I would go larger like maybe 2/3 pot on both flop and turn. Or you could take a more exploitative route and overbet both flop and turn, if you think, he is never folding top pair or a draw.

River
Now the board got significantly worse, since any 6 now has a straight. This is really bad for you, because you could be beat, and its much more difficult now to get paid by worse hands. Therefore it makes no sense, that you ramp up your aggression and overbet the pot now. Its probably still fine to bet something like half pot to try to get a crying call from top pair. But when you overbet, any sort of decent opponent will only give you action, when you are beat.

You do overbet though, and now you get raised. This is usually a fold or maybe a call against some opponents, who bluff a lot. But its never a 3-bet. The only hand, you possibly beat now, is a bluff, and he is not calling a 3-bet with a bluff, even if he is getting a good price. And he is also not folding any hand, that is better than yours, so you can not turn your hand into a bluff. What on earth were you thinking here? You cant use tiny bets on the early streets and then start piling chips in on the river, when the board has run out in a way, that is really bad for your hand.

 

[ratbat615]

its a freeroll tournament at WPT global he is look like honest player from move he was done.There only two player other play AFK on the table with 200BB effective stack and ante i m at button i limp with j4o he raise to 4BB i call the flop jack of diamond 74 of space i bet for 33% the turn is a club i bet for 50% and the river is a 5 of heart i over bet 125% he raise me to 4time(90BB) bigger i go allin is there any space to fold?View attachment 367307

I will not call the river re raise.

 

[eetenor]

its a freeroll tournament at WPT global he is look like honest player from move he was done.There only two player other play AFK on the table with 200BB effective stack and ante i m at button i limp with j4o he raise to 4BB i call the flop jack of diamond 74 of space i bet for 33% the turn is a club i bet for 50% and the river is a 5 of heart i over bet 125% he raise me to 4time(90BB) bigger i go allin is there any space to fold?View attachment 367307

Yes this was a cooler but bad foundations make for bad results. We do not want to limp J4 off here ever. the free Version of GTO Wizard lets you see preflop range charts it would be an excellent idea for you to continue your study there.

 

[fundiver199]

Yes this was a cooler

I would not even call this a cooler. There was a 1-liner to a straight on the river, and they both massively overplayed their hands.

 

[eetenor]

I would not even call this a cooler. There was a 1-liner to a straight on the river, and they both massively overplayed their hands.

My use of cooler was based on how a beginner might look at it as a cooler --losing to the 5's in a I had two pair they hit a set on the river beginner perspective using an incorrect post hand evaluation of ---my hand vs their hand--- instead of in game range considerations--- Which this post implies. So yes it was a type of cooler to the poster which could have been avoided with solid preflop play. You are correct that the poster did not understand hand strength on the river and with more growth may learn relative hand strength concepts.

 

[fundiver199]

My use of cooler was based on how a beginner might look at it as a cooler --losing to the 5's in a I had two pair they hit a set on the river beginner perspective using an incorrect post hand evaluation of ---my hand vs their hand--- instead of in game range considerations--- Which this post implies. So yes it was a type of cooler to the poster which could have been avoided with solid preflop play. You are correct that the poster did not understand hand strength on the river and with more growth may learn relative hand strength concepts.

It was obviously a bit of a bad beat, since the opponent had 2 outs on the flop, picked up 4 more on the turn, and then they hit one of their 6 outs on the river. But for me a cooler is a situation, where two players both have so strong hands, that all the chips has to go in, and whoever end up losing just got unlucky. Like AA vs. KK preflop or set over set on a dry flop.

And that was definitely not the case here. The Hero should have bet smaller on the river and then frankly folded to any substantial raise. And the Villain should just have called or even considered folding his set facing an overbet with a 1-liner out there to a straight. Hero was basically representing, that he had a straight with a 6, and Villain was representing, that he had the stone nuts with 86, which would be a better straight.

 

[Pokerpoet2]

its a freeroll tournament at WPT global he is look like honest player from move he was done.There only two player other play AFK on the table with 200BB effective stack and ante i m at button i limp with j4o he raise to 4BB i call the flop jack of diamond 74 of space i bet for 33% the turn is a club i bet for 50% and the river is a 5 of heart i over bet 125% he raise me to 4time(90BB) bigger i go allin is there any space to fold?View attachment 367307

Players often try to get more chips from an opponent by slow playing hands, When the fact remains most would be glad just to snatch away the SB and BB plus antes, that is the reason we Raise pre flop just to grab the blinds and finish the hand right there.
Even with the best starting hand possible, A/A it's only good before the flop, by raising with a huge amount pre-flop you can get rid of players with J/4 and similar hands before the hand starts, and lets be honest with the hand as you posted, you would have beaten A/A with 2 pair.
But as it played out my first thought would be, has he been playing 6/8 or 5/6 hitting the straight? on the Turn or River, Both are strong possibilities as some players like to play connectors and single gapped cards, so as to confuse the other players. I know in my own experience J/4 off suit would have gone straight into the trash before the flop had I been dealt them, because there is only 2 ways you could make a decent hand from them, either hitting trips or a Full house on the flop, and even then you could be beaten by another player playing a pocket pair higher than the Jack by hitting his card on the Turn or River.
He had the chance of folding long before the Turn card had he wanted to, but with 4,J,7,3, on the Table he did have a chance to hit a 6 on the river giving him a straight and with his chip lead being so huge he could afford to lose, without being busted out of the game.
Personally I would have folded J/4 and waited for a better spot to try and double up.