$4.4 NL HE MTT: How do we get paid, when we hit a decent flop in a multiway pot?

[fundiver199]

Game

Hold'em

Game Format

No Limit

Table Format

MTT

Buy-in

4.4

Game Options

1. Bounty

Currency

$

Game is a $4.4 PKO on ACR Poker with 1 hour of late registration left. Obviously a decent flop for JT of diamonds, so the only question is, how do we extract the most value in this multiway pot?

Winning Poker, Hold'em No Limit - 2,000/4,000 (600 ante) - 7 players
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UTG: 94,425 (24 bb)
MP: 214,770 (54 bb)
MP+1: 223,200 (56 bb)
CO: 116,620 (29 bb)
BU: 85,250 (21 bb)
SB: 58,175 (15 bb)
BB (Hero): 644,000 (161 bb)

Pre-Flop: (10,200) Hero is BB with T♦ J♦
UTG raises to 8,000, MP calls 8,000, 1 fold, CO calls 8,000, 1 fold, SB calls 6,000, Hero calls 4,000

Flop: (44,200) K♦ Q♦ 9♦ (5 players)
SB checks, Hero?

 

[Jaelan]

lol @ "decent".

There's argument here for leading but i would check the flop multiway here. The board is so wet and I'd imagine it hits every players range here.
It's a hard one to get a lot of action on especially when you have pretty much the entire rest of the tables chips in your stack alone.

 

[fundiver199]

lol @ "decent".

A bit of an understatement. Its rare in poker to flop an absolutely unbeatable hand

 

[eetenor]

Game is a $4.4 PKO on ACR Poker with 1 hour of late registration left. Obviously a decent flop for JT of diamonds, so the only question is, how do we extract the most value in this multiway pot?

Winning Poker, Hold'em No Limit - 2,000/4,000 (600 ante) - 7 players
Hand delivered by CardsChat - https://www.cardschat.com/hand-converter.php

UTG: 94,425 (24 bb)
MP: 214,770 (54 bb)
MP+1: 223,200 (56 bb)
CO: 116,620 (29 bb)
BU: 85,250 (21 bb)
SB: 58,175 (15 bb)
BB (Hero): 644,000 (161 bb)

Pre-Flop: (10,200) Hero is BB with T♦ J♦
UTG raises to 8,000, MP calls 8,000, 1 fold, CO calls 8,000, 1 fold, SB calls 6,000, Hero calls 4,000

Flop: (44,200) K♦ Q♦ 9♦ (5 players)
SB checks, Hero?

There are always 2 factors at play with the nuts OOP 1 Will someone else bet? 2 How many turn cards kill our action?

In this spot with the short stacks we can check most often as we can expect to be able to stack at least 1 opponent by the river getting the bounty from that opponent most frequently- by checking we allow 2 opponents to see us as weaker and therefore we may stack 2 bounties when the bigger stacks try to iso a bounty or will call a bet trying to improve on turn to stack a bounty. The great part of this hand is that our V cannot improve therefore we can slow play more liberally and we ourselves -if checked around - can get all the money in on the turn Vs the shorties who will have many hands to call with.

If our V understand bounty play they will know we have some over pot bets with the Ad as the chip leader.

 

[fundiver199]

Thank you for the comments. I went for the slowplay, and here is, how it played out. With these stack sizes and their holdings my line likely did not matter to much.

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[Station_Master]

The SPR is so low and there are so many players yet to act that I would check flop. Even if it checks through, you can get the money in across turn and river, though maybe I would still check turn too.

 

[feisas7991]

The SPR is so low and there are so many players yet to act that I would check flop. Even if it checks through, you can get the money in across turn and river, though maybe I would still check turn too.

we are not allowed to bet on any turn id think, even if it checked arouund

 

[eetenor]

Thank you for the comments. I went for the slowplay, and here is, how it played out. With these stack sizes and their holdings my line likely did not matter to much.

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As we saw the Villains seriously overplayed their hands on the flop and you got two bounties with the slow play well done you🤑💰💲

 

[fundiver199]

As we saw the Villains seriously overplayed their hands on the flop and you got two bounties with the slow play well done you🤑💰💲

I actually dont think, they played that poorly. The guy with the nut flushdraw had decent equity 3-ways, unless someone had exactly the straight flush. But maybe the guy with the flopped straight could have gotten away, when he bet and get a call and a raise. At best he is against hands with a lot of equity, and he is drawing dead against any flopped flush. But in a micro stakes game people often get caught up in absolute hand strength and have a tough time folding for instance a straight, when they probably should.

 

[eetenor]

I actually dont think, they played that poorly. The guy with the nut flushdraw had decent equity 3-ways, unless someone had exactly the straight flush. But maybe the guy with the flopped straight could have gotten away, when he bet and get a call and a raise. At best he is against hands with a lot of equity, and he is drawing dead against any flopped flush. But in a micro stakes game people often get caught up in absolute hand strength and have a tough time folding for instance a straight, when they probably should.

The reason I said they overplayed was #of players in the hand and bounty ranges are much wider true but the straight with that spr sizing is targeting top of range for value only and due to # of players made flushes are possible- So the V betting the straight cannot improve vs a made flush - then the Adx player vs that bet sizing has to hit a flush to improve and the player betting the straight could also be betting a flush if so AX has 25% equity that is low even for a bounty unless the bounty to Start stack was 2 -1 or greater- add in the fact that you are live still in the hand with the giant stack and The Adx hand doesn't really want to iso vs a very strong range so it is fine calling to evaluate the next step-

 

[fundiver199]

The reason I said they overplayed was #of players in the hand and bounty ranges are much wider true but the straight with that spr sizing is targeting top of range for value only and due to # of players made flushes are possible- So the V betting the straight cannot improve vs a made flush - then the Adx player vs that bet sizing has to hit a flush to improve and the player betting the straight could also be betting a flush if so AX has 25% equity that is low even for a bounty unless the bounty to Start stack was 2 -1 or greater- add in the fact that you are live still in the hand with the giant stack and The Adx hand doesn't really want to iso vs a very strong range so it is fine calling to evaluate the next step-

In fairness the player with the nut flushdraw + bottom pair did check the flop, and when the action got to him again, he could really not call and then fold the turn, if he missed with so few chips left behind. So if he was to do anything different, it would be a straight fold, and its not many people, who would do that in a $4.4 MTT. So while there was a bit of overplay involved, its certainly not the most egregious hand, I have seen in the micros