$22 NL HE MTT: 33 in BB with 13 eff. Good enough to 3-bet jam?

[Andyreas]

Game

Hold'em

Game Format

No Limit

Table Format

MTT

Buy-in

22

Currency

$

Hey forum,

very short hand and analysis.

I just want to confirm or get corrected if my move was correct?

We're ITM in the above MTT. I'm 13/13 in chips. Pay jump just happened to 2.1 buyins (small tournament). Next pay jump is at 9 players left.

I get dealt 33 in BB and have 13 BBs left.

We're down to 6 players at the table and MP opens for 2 BBs. (No read on villian as he recently joined the table.)

What's Hero's move?

I jammed and just want opinions if that was a good move or have waited for a better hand.

 

[fundiver199]

I dont think, this was a massively negative EV jam, but against an MP open I might fold the smallest pairs with 13BB. I dont want to call, because postflop is going to be a nightmare most of the time, and jamming 33 is marginal, if the opponent is on a somewhat tight range.

 

[G0930]

I think jamming is just as fine as folding in that situation. Only a call would be a bad move in my opinion

 

[pirateglenn]

Jam 100% the positive and right decision in my opinion.

 

[Tadi]

You did the right thing.

 

[eetenor]

Hey forum,

very short hand and analysis.

I just want to confirm or get corrected if my move was correct?

We're ITM in the above MTT. I'm 13/13 in chips. Pay jump just happened to 2.1 buyins (small tournament). Next pay jump is at 9 players left.

I get dealt 33 in BB and have 13 BBs left.

We're down to 6 players at the table and MP opens for 2 BBs. (No read on villian as he recently joined the table.)

What's Hero's move?

I jammed and just want opinions if that was a good move or have waited for a better hand.

Two tables left the shove was fine based on my ICM estimates. You may want to consider other factors based on the skills of the field which could change your action.

1 Are Villains on each table battling each other? If we can ladder up with no risk then calling and folding is +EQ given to us by the weaker players risking too much in other hands.

2 Are they very passive? Preflop or post flop? Why you might ask? The EV of calling with 33 is still positive and we will not lose much of that EV vs a player who has few bluffs. We do not call GTO because a skilled player can crush us post flop by getting us to fold when we are ahead and that skilled player will balance their range very well on flop.

3 Are they so tight right now we can steal the blinds? This again keeps us alive and laddering at lower risk.

 

[Marshmalo1994]

I think that is a close decision, but I'd fold. I'd push 44 or 55+

 

[puzzlefish]

33 plays only better than 22 post-flop, so I agree we are not calling here. I would fold and live to fight in another hand. I'm assuming MP has an average stack and will probably call hero's jam if they are opening from MP.

 

[Suns of Beaches]

I disagree with the majority here. It only costs him 1BB more to see a flop and it really does not matter imo if he has 12 or 11 BB left. He can't just give up his BB to a minraise with a pair there.

I would push if Mp opens loose and I think in general it's an ok Push but in some cases i would indeed just call. I would not fold this in my BB to a minraise just after itm, it's just too tight, nitty and exploitable imo 😅 plus there are only 6 players at the table.

 

[veltins]

13 bigs is still big enough in this spot to fold . cos this is raise from MP... 33 is not so good to be honest agasint that posistional raise. if it was button or sb raise then easy jam for us. thats my 2 cent

 

[Tero]

But the real question is have you already evolved into $22 buy-ins?

 

[Andyreas]

Thanks to all! 🤗

It goes to show it's not a straightforward decision and we have seen every possible option being chosen by some members.

But the real question is have you already evolved into $22 buy-ins?

Do you mean bankroll wise or ability wise?

The site where this one was played is rather small and you see a very similat player pool in the buyins from $1-$22 dollars. Of course not everyone but it's quite interesting.

The $22 ones seem a bit more balanced/GTO wise but still a good amount of weak players to get chips from.

And bankroll wise, it's definitely a huge stretch on that site only but taking into account my overall poker BR, it is in the 1% range.

 

[SpanRmonka]

Personally I think without info on the player a jam is wrong. For me poker can be about making the best decision long term, but when you get down to that kind of position in a good buy MTT you don't give yourself the chance to be KO'd by a random player ever. If you think they are likely to fold anything but top of their range you jam.

My opinion is there is nothing at all wrong with simply defending your BB here. Its 1 more BB, your odds are great, and you can re assess the flop. If it comes low and they C bet, you can shove here, if its many high cards and they C bet, you fold. no biggie, you are still 13/13 and not much affected.

Recently read a Faraz Jaka email on BB defending, so I thought he was suggesting a call here, and he is suggesting calling wider at sub 20 BBs, however he's also saying this is a Jam, although you can tighten up against earlier positions raises. So to recap I think its one of those marginals where actually all plays are OK here. Calling tho, is only OK if you have a post flop plan!

 

[Tero]

Do you mean bankroll wise or ability wise?

Well, both but you already answered my questions above. Nice
You will become the prized possession of CC in the years to come 🤴

 

[Poker_Mike]

Hey forum,

very short hand and analysis.

I just want to confirm or get corrected if my move was correct?

We're ITM in the above MTT. I'm 13/13 in chips. Pay jump just happened to 2.1 buyins (small tournament). Next pay jump is at 9 players left.

I get dealt 33 in BB and have 13 BBs left.

We're down to 6 players at the table and MP opens for 2 BBs. (No read on villian as he recently joined the table.)

What's Hero's move?

I jammed and just want opinions if that was a good move or have waited for a better hand.

You are short stacked and enamored with a small pair.

You could call and burn 2/13 of your stack if you don't flop a set.

Because you don't have experience with the player who raised - you have to give them the benefit of the doubt that they have a strong hand. That is my rule-of-thumb.

If the villain calls your 33 shove then you are either behind another pocket pair or you are flipping with anything else he has in his hand. There is a good chance you lose even though you are ahead preflop.

By the way - what is the villain's stack size?

But man - I would rather err on the side of aggression! There is a chance the villain folds and surrenders his 2BB. And you have to make a move at some point to get to the next payjump. But IMO you are too short to get called with your 33.