$2.50 NL HE MTT: Was it a good move?

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GGPoker, Hold'em No Limit - 2,500/5,000 (750 ante) - 8 players
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UTG: 76,220 (15 bb)
UTG+1: 210,549 (42 bb)
MP: 253,283 (51 bb)
MP+1: 91,828 (18 bb)
CO: 166,258 (33 bb)
BU: 50,641 (10 bb)
SB: 61,006 (12 bb)
BB (Hero): 153,940 (31 bb)

Pre-Flop:
(13,500) Hero is BB with J Q
3 players fold, MP+1 raises to 10,000, 3 players fold, Hero calls 5,000

Flop:
(28,500) J Q 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP+1 bets 7,500, Hero raises to 40,125, MP+1 raises to 81,078 (all-in), Hero calls 40,953

Turn:
(190,656) 9 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (190,656) K (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: 190,656

Showdown:
MP+1 shows A T (a straight, Ten to Ace)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 61%, Flop: 42%, Turn: 32%, River: 100%)

BB (Hero) shows J Q (two pair, Queens and Jacks)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 39%, Flop: 58%, Turn: 68%, River: 0%)

MP+1 wins 190,656
 
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Defending your BB holding QJo against a min seems fine/normal to me..

Going with top two on the flop is obviously ok too, although it is a fairly wet board.

You had 58% when the chips go in, so that's ok, opponent has no hand but big draws.

The turn gives villain four more outs so that isn't ideal but not something that anything can be done about, the cards fall as they fall.

Villain catches king on the river for the suck-out when you were up to 68% on the turn.

Appears to be a 'hand plays itself' type scenario to me, i.e. you didn't do anything wrong.

Perhaps some could argue that you could call rather than raise on the flop and pot control but that comes with it's own pitfalls too when against exactly the kind of hand that the villain has- i.e. giving them the chance to draw cheaply/free. Playing it slower might have resulted in losing less chips or perhaps you might've been able to take it from them on the turn when the heart doesn't fall (and only one card left to come) but considering the 9d gave villain OESD as well as the flush draw leads me to think not.

Pretty sure I would have played it pretty much exactly the same as you did, just a little unlucky that they catch on the river.

You defended fine, applied pressure after smashing to flop and called it down as a favourite so, not sure there's really anything else you could have done.

When the opponent is willing to risk their tournament life with air+draw (and only a touch over 15bb behind) then the hand is just going to play itself.

My opinion is you played it fine.

BLNT (y) (y)
 
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Pre flop, ok. Flop, size of xr is very bad, it's a loaded board, with top two pairs you won't extract from many hands, because obviously you block a good part of the villain's strong/median values, however, you need protection in that hand, so xr is the most profitable play, but a good size would be 3x 22,500, if villain shoved, easy call! If the only call, on turn blank, was shove, Spr more or less 1/1 in relation to the effective stack, turns, hearts, 9, K and A, we would have to be more careful and evaluate...
 
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GGPoker, Hold'em No Limit - 2,500/5,000 (750 ante) - 8 players
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UTG: 76,220 (15 bb)
UTG+1: 210,549 (42 bb)
MP: 253,283 (51 bb)
MP+1: 91,828 (18 bb)
CO: 166,258 (33 bb)
BU: 50,641 (10 bb)
SB: 61,006 (12 bb)
BB (Hero): 153,940 (31 bb)

Pre-Flop:
(13,500) Hero is BB with J Q
3 players fold, MP+1 raises to 10,000, 3 players fold, Hero calls 5,000

Flop:
(28,500) J Q 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP+1 bets 7,500, Hero raises to 40,125, MP+1 raises to 81,078 (all-in), Hero calls 40,953

Turn:
(190,656) 9 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (190,656) K (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: 190,656

Showdown:
MP+1 shows A T (a straight, Ten to Ace)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 61%, Flop: 42%, Turn: 32%, River: 100%)

BB (Hero) shows J Q (two pair, Queens and Jacks)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 39%, Flop: 58%, Turn: 68%, River: 0%)

MP+1 wins 190,656
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We flop 2 pairs

The way we study to analyze our play is to use all the data we have to make the best in game decision in the future.

So what data do we have?
Villan Position on table indicates certain ranges--define that range as best you can--free gto wizard is great for this.
Card removal narrows that range as our V has fewer hand combos because we have blockers. What is their range now?

When looking at ranges The V has the nuts more often QQ JJ and AA KK - they also have TT AK etc Vs that range should we lead? How about check raise?

Which is the stronger play---we are playing for stacks vs QQ JJ anyway we play so what are we targeting to get the most value by each play above?

We check V bets small what range does that? free gto wizard lets you look at 1 hand postflop each day this is a good hand to try.
Why did we choose our XR sizing? How does that sizing relate to the range we built above? Does that sizing get enough value from enough of their range?

Did you base you sizing on your V's stack size? This sizing takes half the V's stack so often they have to decide to play for stacks if they call. If we think they will play for stacks why not XR shove? Why let them call flop and escape turn if they have AA and a bad card comes?

As expected the V played for stacks vs your raise and hit their card- that happens. Do we want to take actions to get value from more of their range when we hit this strongly? Do we want them to have turn bluffs or incorrect value bets to increase our overall ROI?

:unsure::geek:
 
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GGPoker, Hold'em No Limit - 2,500/5,000 (750 ante) - 8 players
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UTG: 76,220 (15 bb)
UTG+1: 210,549 (42 bb)
MP: 253,283 (51 bb)
MP+1: 91,828 (18 bb)
CO: 166,258 (33 bb)
BU: 50,641 (10 bb)
SB: 61,006 (12 bb)
BB (Hero): 153,940 (31 bb)

Pre-Flop:
(13,500) Hero is BB with J Q
3 players fold, MP+1 raises to 10,000, 3 players fold, Hero calls 5,000

Flop:
(28,500) J Q 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP+1 bets 7,500, Hero raises to 40,125, MP+1 raises to 81,078 (all-in), Hero calls 40,953

Turn:
(190,656) 9 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (190,656) K (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: 190,656

Showdown:
MP+1 shows A T (a straight, Ten to Ace)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 61%, Flop: 42%, Turn: 32%, River: 100%)

BB (Hero) shows J Q (two pair, Queens and Jacks)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 39%, Flop: 58%, Turn: 68%, River: 0%)

MP+1 wins 190,656
It's a complicated situation. Despite having two pairs formed on the flop, there were two draws forwarded. The flush and the straight. Looking from the outside, perhaps the best option would have been to just pay the villain's bet. But in the heat of the moment it's often difficult. And what's more, where do we want to go in a tournament by giving up hands like this? Unfortunately it didn't work out this time.
But this is Poker!
 
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Wow. That hand was a roller coaster. You had 39% equity preflop, but then you raised to 58% on the flop. On the turn, your equity rose to 68%, but on the river, your opponent made a straight with A♥ T♥ and won the hand. What bad luck! Even though you lost, you had a good hand read and played well. Keep practicing and you will surely win next time.
 
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