£150 NL HE MTT: Bad river call?

[wannabepro]

Game

Hold'em

Game Format

No Limit

Table Format

MTT

Buy-in

£150

VP$IP

0

Currency

£

Hi,

I would like to know if I made the correct river call in a £150 buy in 9 handed MTT yesterday.

Average tournament stack: 170,000 after 4.5 hours.
My stack 280,000

Blinds 3k/6k

Hero AcKd big blind

Relatively high VPIP Villain UTG min raise 12k. Good player.

MP call

Hero 3bet 36k. Villain call. MP fold.

Flop:

4hKcJh

Hero bet 31k
Villain call

Turn:

4hKcJh. Ks

Hero bet 50k
Villain call

River:

4hKcJh. Ks. Th

Hero check
Villain bet 150,000 (little less than my stack)
Pot 405,000

Hero uses all time banks but calls despite knowing deep down its wrong. Straights, full houses and flushes all get there, but pot was fairly large compared to my stack, and he could have been bluffing when I checked although no bluffs make sense apart from maybe QQ and AJ, although I don't think he would have got to the river with those hands with the strength I was showing.

Did I make the correct call?

Did I make any mistakes before the river?

What do you think he had?

There are alot more hands that he could have had that beat me than those that don't and I'm pretty sure it's a fold but interested to hear your thoughts. I was getting just less than 3:1 on a call - call 150,000 to win 405,000.

 

[maronza1]

Since you made a call, what did a villain have?

Its a tricky hand, but I think he had a flush, If he had flopped 2 pair he could have raised your bet on the flop. Since he played out of position we may assume he had a strong hand preflop.

 

[wannabepro]

Hi sorry he had JJ so had me beat the whole way.

 

[SpanRmonka]

This seems like one of those hands that, in order to improve, you do just have to find a fold.

You already know this from your post.....So many hands get there, and there are already hands that beat you on the turn. I would say villain is almost targetting your exact hand here

I can't imagine this being a profitable call based on what you said, villain likely has more suited broadway if his VPIP is high. But even it is technically close, this is for your tournment life effectively.....so in my opinion you have to find a fold. Not actually saying I could manage to find it either.....it would deoend on the day for me!! Haha

 

[mattiebumpo]

With his calls on all streets and then the big bet, I would put him on a flush draw that got there. However, it would have been difficult to fold with trip K's so I understand your call.

 

[dangbaonguyen93]

No hand

 

[WellAA]

Hi, flush getting on the river could lead You to fold, he could be bluffing though, You had a difficult fold, I think most players should do what You did, too strong to fold I guess.

 

[wannabepro]

Thank you for your response. It was a very difficult decision, but ultimately should have been a very frustrating fold. There's just no way I'm good there.

 

[tabaskichhh]

not bad, I think you should have exposed him

 

[enno]

I would like to know if I made the correct river call in a £150 buy in 9 handed MTT yesterday.

Average tournament stack: 170,000 after 4.5 hours.
My stack 280,000

Blinds 3k/6k

Hero AcKd big blind

Relatively high VPIP Villain UTG min raise 12k. Good player.

MP call

Hero 3bet 36k. Villain call. MP fold.

Flop:

4hKcJh

Hero bet 31k
Villain call

Turn:

4hKcJh. Ks

Hero bet 50k
Villain call

River:

4hKcJh. Ks. Th

Hero check
Villain bet 150,000 (little less than my stack)
Pot 405,000

Hero uses all time banks but calls despite knowing deep down its wrong. Straights, full houses and flushes all get there, but pot was fairly large compared to my stack, and he could have been bluffing when I checked although no bluffs make sense apart from maybe QQ and AJ, although I don't think he would have got to the river with those hands with the strength I was showing.

Did I make the correct call?

Did I make any mistakes before the river?

What do you think he had?

There are alot more hands that he could have had that beat me than those that don't and I'm pretty sure it's a fold but interested to hear your thoughts. I was getting just less than 3:1 on a call - call 150,000 to win 405,000

Two considerations:
1) You mentioned he had JJ preflop, and that he was a good player?.
If he was UTG you might think he should have raised more preflop. He also just called your bets on the flop and turn when in position,
2) Be wary of the calls on the flop and turn and a larger bet on the river (possible flush)- especially when you just checked on the river, which made him the aggressor.
Maybe it would have been better to fold or raise, but regardless he had you beat anyway. You lose a big pot with a check call, an even bigger pot with a raise, but a smaller pot with a fold.
Tough decision regardless of the choices available.

 

[wannabepro]

Thanks everyone - your responses have been very useful indeed. Ultimately the best decision was to fold the river with so many hands getting there; it was just very difficult with the size of the pot and having KKK ace kicker. Poker solver also suggests folding is the most profitable play. He trapped me and I fell for it. He certainly should have raised more pre-flop UTG with JJ though.

 

[fundiver199]

Preflop
I think, this is a pretty mandatory 3-bet with a caller in between, but your sizing is to small. You went to 3X, and this price in the original opener to continue with almost his entire range, plus the guy in between also get priced in to continue a lot. I would have gone to at least 4,5X or 27k.

Flop and turn
Seem like pretty standard value bets. Your sizing seem fine setting it up for a river jam on a clean card.

River
This was not a clean card though, so first thing to decide is, if we can still jam for value. And its probably a little optimistic, since there are some more hands, you lose to now. I will say though, that straights and boats are probably far less common, than you might think. AQ was just a gutshot, and was most likely folded on the turn. So was most likely TT, which was only third pair, and does he even open hands like KJo, KTo or 44 from UTG 9-handed?

Thats up for debate, and if not his only boat is actually JJ, since KJs and KTs are not even possible, when you hold Kd in your hand. Also with the J and T of hearts on the board, his realistic flushes are only AX and KQ, since he likely dont open small suited connectors from UTG, and even if he does, it only add a few more combos like 98 and 87 of hearts.

With this range breakdown I think, the deciding factor is, that you dont hold A of hearts in your hand, because the nut flush is really a large percent of the combos, you lose to. Because you dont have this very relevant blocker, I would check, and without some kind of read or history my default would be to fold, if he jam, which he essentially did. For this call to make money you need an opponent, who will turn pairs into a bluff, or maybe bet for value with another AK, so that you are sometimes chopping.

With that being said starting with only 45BB this hand is just a set-up, and I dont think, anyone can really blame you for getting stacked. If you had gone larger preflop, it would likely have been a 2-street hand preflop, and he had you already on the flop. Or if the river had been clean, you would have jammed and value owned yourself rather than calling him off. If he had opened from late position, it would also be fairly standard for him to 4-bet JJ, and then you get it in with AK, and the result is still the same. So while the river is a good hand reading exercise, this is not one, I would beat myself up over to much.

 

[oriole]

Your river call is likely incorrect as most of Villain's range consists of hands that beat you (straights, full houses, flushes) and bluffs are scarce, while the pre-river play seems reasonable.

 

[Station_Master]

Your 3 bet is way too small. If you had sized better you could have got the money in across two streets. Your turn bet also seems.way too small