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Message: [QUOTE="300HPGOD, post: 6383907, member: 305911"] As Fundiver above points out raising here is mistake and I will add that I think its a fairly large mistake to raise here unless you are jamming. The proper sizing to try to make 3 other fold with us being in the blinds is at least 6 BBs and probably more like 7 BBs. That is putting in 20-25% of your stack so you are better at that point to get it in if raising plus even if you make it that big you can get called which puts us in no mans land. When you make it as small as you did you are very lucky you only get one caller as usually once the first player makes this call then the ones after getting a decent price will also come along. I think jamming or just calling are good options pre and I think I would do some sort of mix of them depending on how loose or tight villains in the hand have been playing. On the flop as played I would bet but I would go small and basically use the same sizing you did. I dont think there would be many hands that we would raise like we did pre and then hit the board and then check unless we have AK so checking to me gives villain freedom to bluff with any two cards if they know what they are doing. I like betting as a blocker bet of sorts and even though nothing worse is calling me other than 10x that have a straight draw as well I want to be done with this hand after making the error pre flop. Once villain raises here given how the hand is played I am cutting my loses and bailing out. I know the price is right but villain knows that too and I would think too often I am going up against two pair here which there is a lot of those hands that could limp pre and then call a raise. If we had just called pre flop then this is a check and then evaluate from there. On the turn as played after calling the raise you have to check and when villain checks behind it would then mean to me that they bluffed the flop (which I doubt but its possible) or they have some two club hand. Any hand that has value on the flop should not be checking the turn there with another draw coming out unless that new draw coming out does not scare them. Therefore I would actually be thinking villain has about the hand they wind up having here when they check back the turn. If they were bluffing the flop and then checked turn I would expect them to have shut it down and my plan would be to check river and hope they check behind. River is a crazy card of course since it gives us the straight but the flush came in that, like I mentioned above, it just feels like the villain could easily have. I would check as you did but then when the bet comes in (villain should have put you all in here) I am definitely leaning to fold. I would be thinking why would they check turn when they could have continued their bluff (assuming it was one) and then start up again on the river? I would highly be thinking I would be beat here and if I was playing my best then I would fold facing this spot. Its not easy to fold since we now beat two pair but is two pair betting this river when the flush and straight are there and they could check behind? I doubt it [/QUOTE]

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