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Message: [QUOTE="fundiver199, post: 6383234, member: 397965"] Preflop When you make it 4BB, as you did here, you are never getting 3 limpers to fold, so you are just building a larger pot, when you are handicapped by being out of position, and you are doing it with a hand, thats decent by certainly not great. If you make it something like 7BB, which has a larger chance of making them fold, you are putting in more than 25% of your stack, and if the first limper call, you are still out of position in an even more bloated pot. So I dont like that option either. 26BB might seem like a very large jam, but with 3 limpers the risk/reward is actually reasonable, and so often limp ranges are very capped, and you just get them to fold a ton or even call off with worse. So personally I jam here most of the time, which also have the benefit of reducing the amount of future limps and perhaps put them on tilt. But if you prefer a more "small-ball" aproach, there is also nothing wrong with taking a free flop and then just go from there. Flop Even though you flopped middle pair and a gutshot to broadway, this is a very connected board and a kind of awkward situation with a low SPR of less than 2. Which is why, I did not like the preflop raise to begin with. I prefer to check here and try to get to showdown or improve a cheap as possible. You do bet though, and now he min-raise, which is just so awkward, I dont even know, what to say. The pot is waaaaay to big already, but you are getting like 6:1, so I guess, calling is ok? But I would never have put myself in this position to begin with. Turn Clear check, and if he had jammed now, I would have folded, but luckily he check back. River So you made the broadway straight, but a backdoor flush also came in, and there is only around a half pot sized bet left. Lining up your options I will first rule out check-folding, because well.... you just made your hand... and if nothing else you will very often be chopping, if he jam, and you are getting 2:1. Check-calling is reasonable, but as this hand played out, I dont think, you are inducing many bluffs, and I also dont think, he is valuebetting any hand worse than yours. So I prefer to bet myself, and the only reasonable size is to jam. Even though your hand is super obvious, some players just cant fold a hand like two pair or the dummy end of the straight. Results So he backed into the flush, and this obviously suck, but he also outflopped you with two pair, meaning you were behind the whole time. So postflop was mostly just a big mess, where in the end you were doomed to loose all your chips one way or another. Preflop however set the stage for this situation to happen, and this is where, you could have done something different and in my opinion better. If you shove it in for your 26BB, JTs most likely goes away, and this is ok. Or he call it off as a 2:1 dog, which is even better. [/QUOTE]

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