$1 NL HE MTT:

[Geo90]

Game

Hold'em

Game Format

No Limit

Table Format

MTT

Buy-in

1

VP$IP

16

PFR

14

Game Options

1. Turbo

Currency

$

https://www.cardschat.com/replayer/?hand=7a1VKKuU

I allin because of the small raise ,I thought I wanted enough fold euqity,if he had Aj/KJ/QJ he would have had a bigger raise l,but from UTG the QJ fold,a tight player with 16/14 Stats,but on this flop I think an AA/KK will call harder because of the flush ,what would have been the right move do you think?
Sorry my English is very poor

 

[bablovod]

what would have been the right move do you think?

The right move would be not to join the giveaway with cards like that and not to sacrifice the entire answer stack.

 

[eetenor]

https://www.cardschat.com/replayer/?hand=7a1VKKuU

I allin because of the small raise ,I thought I wanted enough fold euqity,if he had Aj/KJ/QJ he would have had a bigger raise l,but from UTG the QJ fold,a tight player with 16/14 Stats,but on this flop I think an AA/KK will call harder because of the flush ,what would have been the right move do you think?
Sorry my English is very poor

How to study a spot like this
1 We range Villain. V opens first in they have a very tight range---AA KK QQ AK AQ AJ AT etc etc
2 We ask how does our hand do vs that range? We most likely have to hit our hand to win and we most likely will not see all the cards to the river on most flops. If we do hit 1 pair are we winning vs the V range ? How much equity does AK have on a T high flop? So most of the time we have a drawing hand but only 11 total bb's not enough for a draw.

All these factors suggest fold preflop---if we had 6 bb we can call because we are soo short stacked. We can still play 10bb stack vs all the other stacks on our table--we still have fold equity which means we can use our skill advantage.

 

[Geo90]

The right move would be not to join the giveaway with cards like that and not to sacrifice the entire answer stack.

GTO says 109o should be called

 

[Geo90]

How to study a spot like this
1 We range Villain. V opens first in they have a very tight range---AA KK QQ AK AQ AJ AT etc etc
2 We ask how does our hand do vs that range? We most likely have to hit our hand to win and we most likely will not see all the cards to the river on most flops. If we do hit 1 pair are we winning vs the V range ? How much equity does AK have on a T high flop? So most of the time we have a drawing hand but only 11 total bb's not enough for a draw.

All these factors suggest fold preflop---if we had 6 bb we can call because we are soo short stacked. We can still play 10bb stack vs all the other stacks on our table--we still have fold equity which means we can use our skill advantage.

Thanks for the detailed answer, in my range there will be quite a lot of J's I think, that's why I went allin, but it might have been a better choice to go allin first

 

[Goggelheimer]

Thanks for the detailed answer, in my range there will be quite a lot of J's I think, that's why I went allin, but it might have been a better choice to go allin first

It is no mistake if you play something like Jennifear push and fold Charts.
But 11 BB does not give you enough fold equity against the nut advantaged range that the UTG player opens with a stack size that covers you.
What do think he will fold from his opening range(GTO wise?),
What do you think are the population tendencies to fold here (mostly not GTO wise in a tournament with this buy in)?
Its hard spot.

 

[sibkaz]

Surely your reaction to draw flush and draw street is harsh? ) And this man just knew it...)

 

[monkeytilter]

My instinct is your play is OK, villain's call is probably slightly losing but he is getting such a good price you can't hate his call either.

You should expect to get called a lot in a $1 MTT and bust out ~70% of the time when you do, but you have a desperately short stack and are forced to make desperation moves. I suspect your play is slightly +EV despite the high variance. If I get chance later I might work out your estimated EV (it all comes down to what parts of villain's range will fold).

A note on using GTO to 'prove you made the correct play', be very careful using it like that. Yes T9o is a call against a perfect GTO opponent who can fold correctly post flop, vs a human who can't, T9o may just be a fold preflop as the correct exploit against them (Maybe someone with full GTO could do the relevant node locking and run a full sim?)
So yes ,your call preflop was theoretically correct but may not have been correct in practice.

 

[Bhargav]

I would fold this hand having small stack. If I had bigger stack I would have tried but again, I would not go Allin for those kind of offsuite cards.

 

[eetenor]

My instinct is your play is OK, villain's call is probably slightly losing but he is getting such a good price you can't hate his call either.

You should expect to get called a lot in a $1 MTT and bust out ~70% of the time when you do, but you have a desperately short stack and are forced to make desperation moves. I suspect your play is slightly +EV despite the high variance. If I get chance later I might work out your estimated EV (it all comes down to what parts of villain's range will fold).

A note on using GTO to 'prove you made the correct play', be very careful using it like that. Yes T9o is a call against a perfect GTO opponent who can fold correctly post flop, vs a human who can't, T9o may just be a fold preflop as the correct exploit against them (Maybe someone with full GTO could do the relevant node locking and run a full sim?)
So yes ,your call preflop was theoretically correct but may not have been correct in practice.

Your point about solver vs real life is good. In fact there are other factors that influence our real world decisions as well-
1 UTG opens tighter
2 We do not play well enough on enough boards to get solver type EV from our call--often as a simple estimate shave 20% off your solver EV when OOP as we can easily make 1 mistake in 5 in spots like this.
3 The solver assumes everyone on our tables play well--therefore it has to capture this EV now that is why it calls here---However- our table may have several players who make large mistakes so we can fold and try to capture that EV in future hands--even with just 10bb

 

[Geo90]

Thanks for the helpful answers, in some situations I stick too much to GTO, I use this most of the time, but I try to share as many hands here as possible, you guys point out my mistakes sooner
I'll throw it in next time to avoid this situation, 11BB might even win a race