$1.10 NL HE MTT: Heart Attack Time in Phase 1 Sat

[monkeytilter]

Game

Hold'em

Game Format

No Limit

Table Format

MTT

Buy-in

1.10

Currency

$

Is my 3 bet shove correct here? Is flatting and playing a flop preferable?
I deliberately upped my open to 3x hoping short stack would jam.

Saw the Ace on the flop and nearly fainted

(Nice throwable in in flight)

$1.10 Phase 1 Sat (to $109 at party)


partypoker, $1 + $0.10 - Hold'em No Limit - 400/800 (150 ante) - 5 players
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UTG (Hero): 29,235 (37 bb)
CO: 58,164 (73 bb)
BU: 36,086 (45 bb)
SB: 13,200 (17 bb)
BB: 11,100 (14 bb)

Pre-Flop: (1,950) Hero is UTG with T♥ T♣
Hero raises to 2,400, CO calls 2,400, BTN calls 2,400, 1 fold, BB 3-bets to 4,000, Hero 4-bets to 29,085 (all-in), 1 fold, BTN calls 26,685, BB calls 6,950 (all-in)

Flop: (72,670) 6♣ T♦ A♠ (3 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: (72,670) 3♠ (3 players, 2 all-in)

River: (72,670) 5♣ (3 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: 72,670

Showdown:
UTG (Hero) shows T♥ T♣ (three of a kind, Tens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 52%, Flop: 89%, Turn: 98%, River: 100%)

BB shows A♣ J♣ (a pair of Aces)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 41%, Flop: 6%, Turn: <1%, River: 0%)

BU shows A♥ T♠ (two pair, Aces and Tens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 7%, Flop: 4%, Turn: 2%, River: 0%)

UTG (Hero) wins 72,670

 

[Mortis]

I would have flatted. But then it still would have gotten all-in after the flop.

 

[monkeytilter]

I would have flatted. But then it still would have gotten all-in after the flop.

What's you thought process preflop?

 

[Mortis]

What's you thought process preflop?

I don't like the pre flop shove with 37BBs, and not even as the chip leader. You're putting your tourney life on the line with Pocket Tens. Decent hand, but you're a coin flip against any 2 face cards. I wouldn't be worried about the BB too much here since they are shortstacked, and if you just beat the BTN and not the BB, then you've still increased your chipstack.

I just reread your post and you said you 4-bet shoved hoping the BB would jam. That's risky when you still have the CO and BTN (who is the chip leader) still left to act as well.

I think the BB would have jammed even if you had just called anyway. It was pretty much all-in or fold for them at that time after the BB 3-bet. If you had flatted.. I wonder if the CO would have called as well?

 

[monkeytilter]

I don't like the pre flop shove with 37BBs, and not even as the chip leader. You're putting your tourney life on the line with Pocket Tens. Decent hand, but you're a coin flip against any 2 face cards. I wouldn't be worried about the BB too much here since they are shortstacked, and if you just beat the BTN and not the BB, then you've still increased your chipstack.

I just reread your post and you said you 4-bet shoved hoping the BB would jam. That's risky when you still have the CO and BTN (who is the chip leader) still left to act as well.

I think the BB would have jammed even if you had just called anyway. It was pretty much all-in or fold for them at that time after the BB 3-bet. If you had flatted.. I wonder if the CO would have called as well?

No I said I opened 3x hoping BB would jam.

My thinking was: Reshove to iso the short stack after he has 3-bet, flat-callers should be getting out of the way the majority of the time and I'll take a flip with one of them if they want to call off to it (their stacks can get damaged by me too) - this is a phase tourney and I want to build a stack, there's a lot in the middle to play for at this point.

Last thing I wanted was a 4-way pot OOP with TT? So inducing calls not a good idea?

I don't know if I'm playing too aggro in MTTs, but when villains are flatting-calling off ATo for 4/5 their stack I like to collect that dead money.

 

[Mortis]

No I said I opened 3x hoping BB would jam.

My thinking was: Reshove to iso the short stack after he has 3-bet, flat-callers should be getting out of the way the majority of the time and I'll take a flip with one of them if they want to call off to it (their stacks can get damaged by me too) - this is a phase tourney and I want to build a stack, there's a lot in the middle to play for at this point.

Last thing I wanted was a 4-way pot OOP with TT? So inducing calls not a good idea?

I don't know if I'm playing too aggro in MTTs, but when villains are flatting-calling off ATo for 4/5 their stack I like to collect that dead money.

I misread. It's been a long week and I'm tired lol.

 

[monkeytilter]

No worries, maybe take another look when you're fresh I do want to calibrate my aggression/tourney life vs edge on opponents

 

[neverbluff0799]

Is my 3 bet shove correct here? Is flatting and playing a flop preferable?
I deliberately upped my open to 3x hoping short stack would jam.

Saw the Ace on the flop and nearly fainted

(Nice throwable in in flight)

$1.10 Phase 1 Sat (to $109 at party)
View attachment 377905

partypoker, $1 + $0.10 - Hold'em No Limit - 400/800 (150 ante) - 5 players
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UTG (Hero): 29,235 (37 bb)
CO: 58,164 (73 bb)
BU: 36,086 (45 bb)
SB: 13,200 (17 bb)
BB: 11,100 (14 bb)

Pre-Flop: (1,950) Hero is UTG with T♥ T♣
Hero raises to 2,400, CO calls 2,400, BTN calls 2,400, 1 fold, BB 3-bets to 4,000, Hero 4-bets to 29,085 (all-in), 1 fold, BTN calls 26,685, BB calls 6,950 (all-in)

Flop: (72,670) 6♣ T♦ A♠ (3 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: (72,670) 3♠ (3 players, 2 all-in)

River: (72,670) 5♣ (3 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: 72,670

Showdown:
UTG (Hero) shows T♥ T♣ (three of a kind, Tens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 52%, Flop: 89%, Turn: 98%, River: 100%)

BB shows A♣ J♣ (a pair of Aces)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 41%, Flop: 6%, Turn: <1%, River: 0%)

BU shows A♥ T♠ (two pair, Aces and Tens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 7%, Flop: 4%, Turn: 2%, River: 0%)

UTG (Hero) wins 72,670

In general the move would be to flat when you get so much action after but i know that 1.10$ phase way too well and it was surely a shove on that spot....People will just call way too often any weak suited aces or middle ace and even smaller pairs then yours.Definitly a winning play at this level and on that game in particular.

 

[monkeytilter]

In general the move would be to flat when you get so much action after but i know that 1.10$ phase way too well and it was surely a shove on that spot....People will just call way too often any weak suited aces or middle ace and even smaller pairs then yours.Definitly a winning play at this level and on that game in particular.

Thx for your input bud. You know I tend to punt, glad you think this probably not one

 

[eetenor]

Is my 3 bet shove correct here? Is flatting and playing a flop preferable?
I deliberately upped my open to 3x hoping short stack would jam.

Saw the Ace on the flop and nearly fainted

(Nice throwable in in flight)

$1.10 Phase 1 Sat (to $109 at party)
View attachment 377905

partypoker, $1 + $0.10 - Hold'em No Limit - 400/800 (150 ante) - 5 players
Replay this hand on CardsChat

UTG (Hero): 29,235 (37 bb)
CO: 58,164 (73 bb)
BU: 36,086 (45 bb)
SB: 13,200 (17 bb)
BB: 11,100 (14 bb)

Pre-Flop: (1,950) Hero is UTG with T♥ T♣
Hero raises to 2,400, CO calls 2,400, BTN calls 2,400, 1 fold, BB 3-bets to 4,000, Hero 4-bets to 29,085 (all-in), 1 fold, BTN calls 26,685, BB calls 6,950 (all-in)

Flop: (72,670) 6♣ T♦ A♠ (3 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: (72,670) 3♠ (3 players, 2 all-in)

River: (72,670) 5♣ (3 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: 72,670

Showdown:
UTG (Hero) shows T♥ T♣ (three of a kind, Tens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 52%, Flop: 89%, Turn: 98%, River: 100%)

BB shows A♣ J♣ (a pair of Aces)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 41%, Flop: 6%, Turn: <1%, River: 0%)

BU shows A♥ T♠ (two pair, Aces and Tens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 7%, Flop: 4%, Turn: 2%, River: 0%)

UTG (Hero) wins 72,670

In satties we need #of seats awarded /players left data to make any determination about correct play---If you were on the seat bubble this is a min open and then fold for instance.
The issue with going 3x then getting all-in is your V are calling too wide harming your seat equity-- AToff call actually steals seat equity from us--so we would only ever get all-in if we were a long way away from the seat--say 5 seats 30 left
Had the Ten not come but the Ace did it cripples us--stack preservation in satties dependent on seats/players becomes #1 goal
We can estimate seat equity% that is why in Satties we fold everything at some point--If we have 90% chance of winning a seat why would we play AA when it averages 80% equity?

Nice win though

If you could share the missing data points it would make the situation much clearer

The goal of satties is to win the seat with the least amount of risk--the best player is the one who wins with 1 bb or less and took very little risk
There is no extra pay for first place

 

[neverbluff0799]

In satties we need #of seats awarded /players left data to make any determination about correct play---If you were on the seat bubble this is a min open and then fold for instance.
The issue with going 3x then getting all-in is your V are calling too wide harming your seat equity-- AToff call actually steals seat equity from us--so we would only ever get all-in if we were a long way away from the seat--say 5 seats 30 left
Had the Ten not come but the Ace did it cripples us--stack preservation in satties dependent on seats/players becomes #1 goal
We can estimate seat equity% that is why in Satties we fold everything at some point--If we have 90% chance of winning a seat why would we play AA when it averages 80% equity?

Nice win though

If you could share the missing data points it would make the situation much clearer

The goal of satties is to win the seat with the least amount of risk--the best player is the one who wins with 1 bb or less and took very little risk
There is no extra pay for first place

Always putting out some great post ^^Actually stuation is a bit different there cause its a phase 1 ( theyre then a phase 2 and a final phase) so you keep your stack from a phase to another so its not a direct satty cause if u qualified for phase 2 with 1 bb your chance of cashing will be mega low

 

[monkeytilter]

In satties we need #of seats awarded /players left data to make any determination about correct play---If you were on the seat bubble this is a min open and then fold for instance.
The issue with going 3x then getting all-in is your V are calling too wide harming your seat equity-- AToff call actually steals seat equity from us--so we would only ever get all-in if we were a long way away from the seat--say 5 seats 30 left
Had the Ten not come but the Ace did it cripples us--stack preservation in satties dependent on seats/players becomes #1 goal
We can estimate seat equity% that is why in Satties we fold everything at some point--If we have 90% chance of winning a seat why would we play AA when it averages 80% equity?

Nice win though

If you could share the missing data points it would make the situation much clearer

The goal of satties is to win the seat with the least amount of risk--the best player is the one who wins with 1 bb or less and took very little risk
There is no extra pay for first place

The is a Phase 1

 

[monkeytilter]

Always putting out some great post ^^Actually stuation is a bit different there cause its a phase 1 ( theyre then a phase 2 and a final phase) so you keep your stack from a phase to another so its not a direct satty cause if u qualified for phase 2 with 1 bb your chance of cashing will be mega low

You beat me to it. I wonder if this is why all my steals work so well late in these though?🤣

 

[neverbluff0799]

You beat me to it. I wonder if this is why all my steals work so well late in these though?🤣

Phase are a different beast then satty thats for sure...The lower the phase then less people will tend to fold.Usually you want to put pressure when the reg is close and your getting close for qualification for the next phase.In that case the final phase for a 109$ ticket is the one that people will fold the most and if your having a stack you should for sure put pressure specially on middle stacks.

 

[eetenor]

Obviously I do not play phase games--thanks for the information---Stack building seems to be very important so shoving TT vs wider ranges is a good idea better than flatting.

we would want to look at our database and see what the ranges BB's use for this action--this is what would guide us to bet sizing options OPN and 4 bet sizing and frequency.

We also want to consider future game vs weak players do we want to take all-in flips at this stack depth or play the long game- If the V data suggests that BB raise range, were AJs+ QQ+ AQo+ --- with the BB shoving 77-JJ and just flatting most other hands KQs 22 etc and we would still be called by the other player when we shove then chip EV it is a shove but exploit could be a flat decide flop.

Based on future game

That is a little deep in the weeds but a good study line to consider as the min raise is a wtf raise.

 

[Bhargav]

You raised the pot and wanted someone to come into pot, you have succeeded. I feel that you should take flat call, I would have done that.

Why because J+ cards dominates your hand. So your hand is good only if it connects or flop cards are below 10 , otherwise you are going to lose. And with risking only 4000 you got 16k pot and chance to see flop. That is the best option you could get. This is my personal view.