$0.25 NLHE STT Turbo: Bluff cbet becomes value turn cbet

[Abramo Della Luce]

poker stars $0.23+$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t15/t30 Blinds - 2 players


Hero (BTN/SB): t575 19.17 BBs
BB: t925 30.83 BBs VPIP: 56, PFR: 31, 3B: 29, AF: 2.7, Hands: 64

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is BTN/SB with 6

7

Hero calls t15, BB checks

Flop: (t60) K

2

2

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t30, BB calls t30

Turn: (t120) 6

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t60, BB calls t60

River: (t240) K

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t150, BB calls t150


On the flop I made a stab, just like how I would make a cbet after raising preflop. Maybe that wasn't such a good idea, because he doesn't fold a lot on the flop, but, on the other hand, he folds a lot on the river after I show strength the streets before.
He almost always bets the flop (80%) so this check, which is a different play than he usually goes with, could mean two things. Or he's really strong and wants me to hit something on a later street that I can call him with; or he's planning to check call and re-evaluate on a later street (which he usually does when he is in position and I bet).

On the turn I hit a 6 and am quite convinced I'm good here. He could have a K, but I think there is more chance he's just floating with air (anything close to a hand he bets), so I decided to shoot a second barrel. The fact that he checks again, makes me think more that he doesn't have anything. I have not been aggressive at all, because of his stationing, and if he has a hand, there would be a big chance he's losing a lot of value against me.
He calls again, but once again, he almost never folds the turn.

The river makes the chance that he doesn't have anything even bigger.
On top of that, he might think the same and call me down with an A or even a Q.
He usually folds the river against a bet or raise, so I decided to go with a slightly bigger bet, in case he has an A and wants to call; but not too big, so I can still fold if he puts me all in (even though I'm not sure if I could fold here, with half of my stack in the pot and a decent hand, but I have the impression he doesn't bluff the river that much).

So, these were my thoughts during this hand.
Any idea's about it? If I made a thinking mistake, please let me know.

 

[alienat3d]

Well i am sharing your way of thinking and i like your aggressivity post flop on such board, but i would raise preflop tho. I mean especially in HU, in a position and with not very strong hand. By that limping you showing weakness and thoughtful player would take advantage on that point and raise it up. And if you raise it first yourself you force your opponent to lay down a lot of hands, those are unpleasant to play post flop without position and without aggression initiative.
I know some players who even are like "always raise the button in HU", and maybe it's not that bad idea after all.

 

[Andrew Popov]

HU is largely composed of a bluff. And you will regularly receive bad results bluffing with a weak hand - this is normal.

 

[trent32la]

Preflop and flop are fine. I check turn against pretty much anyone except a huge calling station, and I'd bet something like 50 chips. River is a check. V is not calling down a triple barrel with worse, so you are just value owning yourself by betting.

 

[Abramo Della Luce]

Well i am sharing your way of thinking and i like your aggressivity post flop on such board, but i would raise preflop tho. I mean especially in HU, in a position and with not very strong hand. By that limping you showing weakness and thoughtful player would take advantage on that point and raise it up. And if you raise it first yourself you force your opponent to lay down a lot of hands, those are unpleasant to play post flop without position and without aggression initiative.
I know some players who even are like "always raise the button in HU", and maybe it's not that bad idea after all.

Problem with this player is that he doesn't fold a lot at all, and usually 3bets preflop. His 3bet percentage preflop is 50% even, so by limping I wanted to keep the pot a bit smaller.
Postflop I was in position, so that helps.

Preflop and flop are fine. I check turn against pretty much anyone except a huge calling station, and I'd bet something like 50 chips. River is a check. V is not calling down a triple barrel with worse, so you are just value owning yourself by betting.

This player indeed did never fold the flop nor the turn, so betting was ok like you said (just bigger). About the river you are right. I was just hoping he would call with A or Q high. In the end he had deuces full of kings.

 

[ninoverm]

Well i am sharing your way of thinking and i like your aggressivity post flop on such board, but i would raise preflop tho. I mean especially in HU, in a position and with not very strong hand. By that limping you showing weakness and thoughtful player would take advantage on that point and raise it up. And if you raise it first yourself you force your opponent to lay down a lot of hands, those are unpleasant to play post flop without position and without aggression initiative.
I know some players who even are like "always raise the button in HU", and maybe it's not that bad idea after all.

Noooo, limping is completely fine in a tournament setting when stacks are getting shorter. At 19 blinds you can basically start limping every hand you're playing (not saying that's optimal, but it's definitely not bad). As long as you're not limping your weak hands and raising your strong hands it's entirely unexploitable. Throw some limp-folds, limp-calls and limp-raises in there and you're good to go.

40+ BB deep I would indeed raise almost always heads-up.

About the hand: turn bet is somewhat defendable with the reasons you stated, river is an easy check.

In the end he had deuces full of kings.

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