$0.11 NL HE MTT: What goes through their mind?

[monkeytilter]

Game

Hold'em

Game Format

No Limit

Table Format

MTT

Buy-in

0.11

Game Options

1. Turbo

Currency

$

Can you help me understand the thought process here from villain? What the hell has gone through their mind in this spot?
What note would you take and how would you adjust vs them?
Should I be value betting the river here?? Too thin?

OK: 1. this is a 11c buy MTT phase sat, so just a small step up from a freeroll; 2. Villain is loosing rec but has played 1k+ MTT so not a day 1 noob.

So we have a limped pot, Axx flop, paired turn which I stab at, villain calls 8 hi to check back behind me in position??

partypoker, $0.10 + $0.01 - Hold'em No Limit - 60/120 (15 ante) - 6 players
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UTG: 10,255 (85 bb)
MP: 9,970 (83 bb)
CO: 9,108 (76 bb)
BU: 9,380 (78 bb)
SB: 11,425 (95 bb)
BB (Hero): 9,982 (83 bb)

Pre-Flop: (270) Hero is BB with A♣ 2♦
UTG calls 120, 1 fold, CO calls 120, BTN calls 120, SB calls 60, Hero checks

Flop: (690) J♦ 4♦ A♥ (5 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, CO checks, BTN checks

Turn: (690) J♣ (5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets 172, 2 players fold, BTN calls 172, SB folds

River: (1,034) Q♣ (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

Total pot: 1,034

Showdown:
BB (Hero) shows A♣ 2♦ (two pair, Aces and Jacks)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 52%, Flop: 97%, Turn: 100%, River: 100%)

BU shows 8♠ 6♠ (a pair of Jacks)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 48%, Flop: 3%, Turn: 0%, River: 0%)

BB (Hero) wins 1,034

 

[Mortis]

In an 11c MTT, anything could be going through their mind. Maybe their fold button doesn't work lol.

Note: Passive calling machine.

They could also be playing as a time killer and they don't really care what happens.

 

[monkeytilter]

In an 11c MTT, anything could be going through their mind. Maybe their fold button doesn't work lol.

Note: Passive calling machine.

They could also be playing as a time killer and they don't really care what happens.

So how far would you go with adjustment? Start value betting TPNK 3 streets? What about 2nd and 3rd pairs?

If flop, turn and river check through with this guy (in future hand) do I bother trying to steal the pot on the river ever?

I forget not everyone is playing to profit, I need to keep that in mind and maybe add to my notes.

 

[Mortis]

So how far would you go with adjustment? Start value betting TPNK 3 streets? What about 2nd and 3rd pairs?

If flop, turn and river check through with this guy (in future hand) do I bother trying to steal the pot on the river ever?

I forget not everyone is playing to profit, I need to keep that in mind and maybe add to my notes.

It also took me awhile to realize that not everyone is trying to play for profit as well, or even trying to "play correctly." Some people just play for the sake of playing. And when I teach beginners, one of the biggest habits I try to break of theirs, is not to overvalue suited hands.

As played, I think you played this hand well. Looked standard, and I probably would have played it the same. Check on the flop is fine. I might have bet a little more on the turn, maybe just a tad over 1/2 pot around 250. But your bet wasn't bad, just under 1/2 pot. Over 1/2 pot may have a greater chance to entice folds, and I wouldn't be confident with a weak Ace and the J on the turn, which I'm sure you weren't either. In this case against that opponent, I don't think the hand would have changed and they probably still would have called and you still got the others to fold either way. The check on the river is fine.

If you had this hand in any other position besides the BB or SB, it's a fold. But they practically just handed over free money to you.

Just make a note on this person and play tight around them. They're probably not bluffable, at least in this game lol. The opponent might actually be better than what they showed here and might play better in another game and just didn't care about this one.

 

[eetenor]

So how far would you go with adjustment? Start value betting TPNK 3 streets? What about 2nd and 3rd pairs?

If flop, turn and river check through with this guy (in future hand) do I bother trying to steal the pot on the river ever?

I forget not everyone is playing to profit, I need to keep that in mind and maybe add to my notes.

If you are playing with this player often then the adjustments, you want to make are on the turn but only if you are not 4 ways.
In passive games V left to act second pair pairing turn there is no reason to think we have a lock on this board. Stabbing was fine, small was fine.

If you are in a pot alone with this V we should be trying to get extra value every hand- Which means when we can we ISO this V-- the key is how does this V play when they have a hand--if we know that then we know how to get more value from our weaker hands and how often to bluff--We would want to see how they play second pair hands that are just 1 pair on river-- what do they do on turns when they think they have the best hand - how strong a hand will they play passively--In this spot would this player show us an Ax hand on river? Then using those data points we can figure out just how to max value each spot vs them

 

[monkeytilter]

If you are playing with this player often then the adjustments, you want to make are on the turn but only if you are not 4 ways.
In passive games V left to act second pair pairing turn there is no reason to think we have a lock on this board. Stabbing was fine, small was fine.

If you are in a pot alone with this V we should be trying to get extra value every hand- Which means when we can we ISO this V-- the key is how does this V play when they have a hand--if we know that then we know how to get more value from our weaker hands and how often to bluff--We would want to see how they play second pair hands that are just 1 pair on river-- what do they do on turns when they think they have the best hand - how strong a hand will they play passively--In this spot would this player show us an Ax hand on river? Then using those data points we can figure out just how to max value each spot vs them

Having seen this one hand and how they played it, how would you expect them to play in the other spots you have listed?
I know it's extrapolation but we are allowed to start with assumptions (based on what we have seen so far). Can we make a 'population' based read? This villain is obviously loose and very passive, what would you except that population (the loose-passives) to typically do in the spots you listed?

 

[sibkaz]

New tactic...)

 

[eetenor]

Having seen this one hand and how they played it, how would you expect them to play in the other spots you have listed?
I know it's extrapolation but we are allowed to start with assumptions (based on what we have seen so far). Can we make a 'population' based read? This villain is obviously loose and very passive, what would you except that population (the loose-passives) to typically do in the spots you listed?

"If you are in a pot alone with this V we should be trying to get extra value every hand- Which means when we can we ISO this V-"
We bet larger and more frequently flop and turn - by larger we increase our sizing from our standard size in each spot and slow play 0 hands- On rivers we know they have a lot of nothing hands so we would bet smaller 30% pot to get loose calls unless they over fold rivers then we bet to target weak made hands which means 50% pot or more-- we still want to collect data to refine these actions

 

[Bhargav]

it's quite simple. just 1.5 blind there is chance you can bluff, so he called. it doesn't affect his stack. He thought he can bluff catch you if he gets 8 or 6 on river.