is UFC the future of fighting sports?

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Do any of you envisage the UFC being the true dominant fighting sport around the world?Or do you see Boxing as still the number 1.There aren't a lot of top ranking boxers out there at the moment,whereas there's load of UFC fighters outhere who can attract large crowds.I really like Jon 'bones' jones,think he's a really good fighter,looking forward to his next fight.Can't pick out any fight(bat mayweather)who I'm looking forward to
 
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This sport is as real as it gets no boxing gloves it's growing fast and probably continue too grow in the future
 
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ufc is the best boxing sucks and that sports is rigged
 
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It's possible that it'll become the dominant combat sport at some point in the future, but even if that happens, it's still a very long way off.

MMA has all sorts of problems still to overcome. It's got a drug problem that would make professional cycling in the '90s blush, for example. The recent move by the NSAC to ban testosterone replacement therapy is a step in the right direction, but they've still got a long way to go.

The sport also has an image problem: a lot of people still view it as nothing more than human ****fighting, and the sport's vocal "just bleed!!!!" fans (of which Dana White is one of the biggest and most vocal) don't really help that cause. Some people will probably never be able to get over the level of violence on display compared to more "gentlemanly" pursuits like boxing.

And don't buy too much into the UFC's claims about it being the fastest growing sport in the world - all that means is that it was nothing when they started.

There are a couple of guys who can draw decent crowds and PPV buys, but the UFC has just recently lost its two biggest draws (GSP and Anderson Silva). Jon Jones is the next biggest draw, and it's a pretty steep drop off after him. Her Rowdyness isn't as big a draw yet as the UFC would like her to be, and buy rates for guys like Aldo and Barao (who are awesome fighters) are frankly embarrassing. They couldn't even get good numbes when they gave an awesome card like last week's Werdum-Browne one away for free. The truth is they're still yet to find anyone who can reliably eclipse the numbers that Brock Lesnar got them.

In terms of money, the sport doesn't make anything like what boxing makes. Guys like Jones and GSP will be doing OK for themselves, but they're not making anything like what guys like Mayweather or Pacquiao make yet.

And lastly there's some legal problems to overcome when they expand globably. The UFC can't come to my home town, for example, because it's illegal to have an MMA fight in an octagon here - I think they can fight in a boxing ring with watered down rules or something, but that's all. And we're not the only place in the world like that. A lot of that ties back to the image problem but still, it's a barrier to the sport catching up to something like boxing, which is established and legal pretty much everywhere.

So... yeah. It'll absolutely continue to grow, especially with the UFC's aggressive push into international markets. But it's got a long, long way to go before it overtakes boxing.
 
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has anyone seen TFC team fighting championships yet?Thats pretty hardcore
 
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I was more into UFC/MMA when I was younger 16-18 still watch it when it's on but I use to go out to watch it every fight night but now I only watch the ones on regular TV. When I use to watch it there were more big names like Chuck Lidell, Forest Griffin, Rampage Jackson, Machida was undefeated, GSP's fights were entertaining, Anderson Silva looked unbeatable.

@ OZ I think Anabolic Steroids should be legal, I don't use them and never have but they aren't bad for you unless you go overboard like the government tries to sell.. In fact if you are on steroids your success rate in life seems to go up lol. Every sport has it Baseball, Football, Basketball, Boxing, and everything else!

People view it as cheating because that is the mindset we have been taught since we were little, I don't see how advancement in technology and medicine is cheating. Congress just declared it cheating because they wanted to take peoples eyes off of what ever they were or were not doing at the time lol.

MMA is much safer then boxing simply for the reason in MMA if you get knocked out you are done you lose but in boxing if you get rocked you have 10 seconds to get up also in MMA it is 3, 5 minute rounds unless of course its a championship match 5, 5 minute rounds which is a total of 25 minutes of fighting MAX, boxing is 15 (I think) 3 minute rounds. that's a lot longer of getting punched in the head..

Boxing can also get boring watching the fighters clinch so often and you know that some of the weaving they do would never work in a real fight.. In fact over 90% of real fights end up on the ground and to see who the best fighter in the world is the best fighter in the world would need to be able to have ground game.
 
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We can agree to disagree on whether or not steroids should be legal*, but it won't change the fact that right now, the UFC and MMA in general still has a very real drug problem that it needs to solve: that is the use of performance enhancing drugs is currently illegal, but they don't really bother to test for them properly.

They even defacto endorsed drug use for many years through TRT exemptions, something which pretty much no other sport would grant in anything but the most extreme of circumstances (ie: recovery from testicular cancer, not the "oh I've been feeling a bit tired" reasoning that many MMA fighters have passed off as a legitimate medical condition).

Making PEDs legal would, technically, be a solution to the problem. I don't think it's a very good solution. It would hurt the sport even more when it comes to the image problems I discussed above. Injuries in the cage would probably go up, and gawd only knows what it would do to the lighter weight classes (though I acknowledge the "just bleed" fans don't care what happens below welterweight anyway).

I think proper testing and enforcement would be a much better solution. But whatever. The point still stands, they need to do something.

We can also argue all day about whether MMA or boxing is the safer sport, but here's a few things to consider:

- In boxing you get the opportunity to answer the 10-count, true, so you could get concussed and then still get back to your feet. But in MMA if you go down, your opponent can swarm and punch you in the head until the referee stops the fight. In both cases if you're knocked out cleanly then the fight will be stopped. But if you're just "rocked", in boxing you have time to recover, whereas in MMA you continue to take shots.

- Boxing uses much bigger gloves than MMA, so while a fight may be longer and they may take more punches overall, those punches are somewhat better padded. Boxers also only take hits from those padded gloves, whereas MMA fights take hits from unprotected elbows, kicks and knees on top.

- The closed finger gloves used in boxing also prevent eye pokes... a problem MMA has that was on display again this past weekend in the Jon Jones fight.

Don't get me wrong, I'm an MMA fan (who doesn't really watch or follow boxing - I find it pretty boring too). I'm just being honest about the host of problems the sport faces.

* for the argument about why they shouldn't be legal, BTW, you need look no further than the WWE, and all the Attitude-era wrestlers who've either died or suffered major illnesses as a result of their steroid use.

has anyone seen TFC team fighting championships yet?Thats pretty hardcore

That five-on-five MMA thing? Saw footage of one match and it was... a little disturbing, if I'm honest. It's almost impossible to follow the action at the start, and at the end (less than a minute later) there was just one guy left being pounded into the ground by all five of the opposing team. Brutal, but not particularly enjoyable.
 
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I'd love the ufc if they didn't all try to ground and pound and bore me to death more then boxing ever did

I found that the lighterweight guys stand up more then the heavier fighters
 
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Both sports are obviously dangerous but statistically speaking there has been no deaths in the UFC but some in boxing. The UFC might be too young to mention post brain injury as that usually starts to come into play as the fighters get older.

Comparing the sport money wise I have no idea I would have to look it up, I know the UFC fighters don't get paid nearly as well as Mayweather but how much do the non family name boxers get? (I'm asking cause I have no idea)

As some one who has been punched in the face with boxing gloves and Fingerless MMA gloves I can say they both hurt pretty bad lol

Edit: Also by safer I was thinking in more long term/ life threatening safer as a MMA fighters career is probably a lot shorter then a boxers (on average)

The UFC should have less fights on payperview so should boxing
 
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It's true, there aren't very many guys in boxing who make Mayweather or Pacquiao money. But those guys that do make crazy money.

Actual earning figures aren't always easy to find, but here's a few examples: De La Hoya v Mayweather in 2007 they earned $52m and $25m respectively. Mayweather v Mosely in 2010 was over $60m (with 22.5 guaranteed) and $6.7m respectively. Pacquaio v Marquez in 2012 was $26m (all guaranteed - he lost) and $6m plus a PPV cut respectively.

Compare that to MMA: the last Jon Jones fight where his purse was reported, as far as I can tell, was UFC 145 v Rashad Evans, where he made $400K just to turn up. Though he no doubt got other unspecified bonuses on top, that's nowhere even close to the money Mayweather's opponents make, let alone what Mayweather himself makes. And Jones is the pretty much undisputed best fighter in all of MMA, the Mayweather equivalent in his sport. Rashad got $300K for that fight BTW.

GSP made the same sort of money at UFC 167 v Johnny Hendricks: $400K, no win bonus, though undoubtedly a PPV cut and other bonuses on the side. Hendricks only made $50K. The $400K deal seems to be what Brock Lesnar was on too.

There aren't very many guys in the UFC who make Jon Jones or GSP money either though. Mid-teir guys can make somewhere in the low six figures for a fight if they win, more if they get a fight night bonus. And at the bottom end of the food chain, there are a heap of fighters in the UFC who make less than $10K per bout. Then consider the fact that most of them would be lucky to get four or five fights per year if they stay healthy.

Boxing figures are similarly hard to find, but from what I can tell the bottom end is about on a par. Although it depends how far down the rabbit hole you want to go, and how far you want to stretch the term "professional" - there'll be fighters in both sports who are fighting on small regional cards for a few hundred bucks if you look far enough down the food chain.

On a side note, there's plenty of stories of broke boxers, or guys who need to keep fighting long past their use-by date because they need their money. Apparently even Mohammed Ali was one of them. Hell, apparently even Manny Pacquiao is broke most of the time:

http://www.sbnation.com/longform/20...y-pacquiao-vs-brandon-rios-fight-2013-profile (excellent read if you've got the time, BTW)

That's largely due to money mismanagement, but anywho. MMA also has those stories, just look at the recently-retired Chris Leben.

But I'm probably digressing. Long story short, if you add up all the money there is in boxing and compare it to all the money in MMA, it's a safe bet that the boxing pile is much, much bigger than the MMA pile. That doesn't mean it won't change in the future, but it suggests that boxing will be on top for a long time yet in terms of which is the biggest sport.

On the safety issue agreed, getting punched with the gloves from either sport will hurt. But here's some info on how safety in MMA stacks up against other sports:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed_martial_arts#Safety

Cliff notes: at least two fatalities in the USA since 2007 directly resulting from MMA bouts, injury rates are much higher than judo, taekwondo and amateur boxing, and at least as high, if not much higher, than professional boxing.

I'd love the ufc if they didn't all try to ground and pound and bore me to death more then boxing ever did

I found that the lighterweight guys stand up more then the heavier fighters

Oh I dunno, you can have incredibly boring stand-up fights in MMA too: see Rashad Evans vs Little Nog for a prime example. Or pretty much any time two heavyweights go the distance. I remember a Frank Mir vs Roy Nelson fight that was a complete snoozefest because both guys were gassed out by the start of round two.

I just like exciting fights, wherever they happen. And I definitely agree that the lighter weight classes can provide some of the best action :)
 
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My question is and I'm not arguing or using this as an argument to say MMA has more money because I know they don't but how much of the money isn't going to the fighters?

I think Dana White does a terrible job with paying the fighters there is no way in hell that they can only afford to pay fighters the numbers you said so how much is the UFC corporation pocketing.

Also I would expect that fighters get paid for sponsorships, and items with their name and likeness on it including games, clothes and whatever..

I'm sure boxers get the same but I never see a boxing shirt only tapout stuff
 
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Now that's a good question, isn't it :D

In an interview earlier this year, Dana claimed the UFC as a whole was "worth" $3.5b: http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/2/03ccce22-aebf-11e3-aaa6-00144feab7de.html#axzz30RCrgKr9 (fascinating interview BTW, Dana isn't exactly a conventional dude...)

So yeah, they're undoubtedly making a lot more money than what gets passed on to the fighters. It's a business after all.

I didn't really discuss sponsorships because you're right, both boxers and MMA fighters will make money on top of their fight purses from sponsorship.

The reason you're probably not seeing "boxing" shirts is because boxers are more popular, and they get to be sponsored by mainstream companies like Nike, Adidas, etc. MMA, on the other hand, isn't that far removed from having its fighters sponsored by Joe's Bail Bonds.

Basically, boxing is in a whole different business league - hell, it was a revelation when Jon Jones and a few other select fighters (Junior Dos Santos for sure, can't remember the others) got sponsorships from Nike. Tapout, Jaco and the like are guppies in comparison.

A big part of that links back to the sport's image problems too. Mainstream companies aren't ready to risk tarnishing their brands by associating with MMA yet. Boxing, in comparison, is much cleaner and more socially acceptable in their eyes, so that's where their money goes.
 
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