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NoETdrizzle
Rock Star
Silver Level
I don't see a pitcher winning MVP for that to happen Degrom would've needed like 20 wins with his 1.7 era. Also I think if he keeps that era down below 2 he deserves Cy Young. Cy Young is the best pitcher award and Degrom would've had the best season. It's not his fault his teams offense sucks.
jho
Legend
Silver Level
On any other team deGrom would be nearing 20 wins.
It's unbelievable to me if he doesn't win the CY Young if he finishes with a 1.70 ERA
jho
Legend
Silver Level
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Synopsis
Legend
Silver Level
Has to be depressing for him. You go out there and shut down the hottest team at the time (think they were playing houston, but can't quite recall) down, and the only run your team gets is from you also. He is easily the best this year, and I don't think record should have anything to do with it, but it most likely will. He is pitching tonight, and is a underdog with that era... that tells you everything right there.
gedzshadow
Enthusiast
Silver Level
I'd go Nola on this one.
The win issue is a factor but doesn't need to be the only one. I know Hernandez won the year he had a near .500 record but that just means it didn't hurt him enough over other candidates. The option in the NL or Nola/Scherzer are two pitchers who have a better WAR then DeGrom. Nola statistically plays for the worst defense in the league by a long shot and he is still pulling in victories with those clowns behind him.
The win issue is a factor but doesn't need to be the only one. I know Hernandez won the year he had a near .500 record but that just means it didn't hurt him enough over other candidates. The option in the NL or Nola/Scherzer are two pitchers who have a better WAR then DeGrom. Nola statistically plays for the worst defense in the league by a long shot and he is still pulling in victories with those clowns behind him.
jho
Legend
Silver Level
I think Nola is having a great year, but trust me the Mets defense is nothing special this year. At least Philly is providing their Ace run support. Can you imagine losing constantly 1-0, 2-1?
deGrom hasn't given up more than 3 runs in ANY start since late April, and his record is 6-9 I think in that stretch. Tell me that isn't crazy.
deGrom hasn't given up more than 3 runs in ANY start since late April, and his record is 6-9 I think in that stretch. Tell me that isn't crazy.
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NoETdrizzle
Rock Star
Silver Level
I think DeGrom would much rather have the worst defense in the league (which is still an MLB team that makes almost every play) and actually get a few runs per game to help him.
gedzshadow
Enthusiast
Silver Level
I'd venture to guess they'd rather it the other way. Philly has given away runs over and over again. While you can't win without scoring... you really can't win when your team literally spots the other guys runs.
The old wisdom that Defense wins championships comes into play here. Most of these high level teams need to be able to win games 2-0, 1-0, 2-1. You have absolutely no shot of that if your team can't make the outs they should.
The old wisdom that Defense wins championships comes into play here. Most of these high level teams need to be able to win games 2-0, 1-0, 2-1. You have absolutely no shot of that if your team can't make the outs they should.
pink_floyd67
Rock Star
Silver Level
Degrom is the best pitcher in the NL. WIn loss record means nothing.
Explain to me how a starter can go 7 innings give up 1 run leave the game in a tie. pitcher behind him comes in pitches 1 inning his team scores in the eighth and he is the winner. Or as a Met fan I seen this a lot Benitez comes in with a lead and promptly gives it up in the ninth. In the bottom of the ninth Mets rally score and wins so now ****ING BENITEZ Is credited with a win. This system sucks so it’s all about the eye test and to me Degrom is the winner.
Explain to me how a starter can go 7 innings give up 1 run leave the game in a tie. pitcher behind him comes in pitches 1 inning his team scores in the eighth and he is the winner. Or as a Met fan I seen this a lot Benitez comes in with a lead and promptly gives it up in the ninth. In the bottom of the ninth Mets rally score and wins so now ****ING BENITEZ Is credited with a win. This system sucks so it’s all about the eye test and to me Degrom is the winner.
