Nascar crash, anyone seen this???

[kidkvno1]

http://gma.yahoo.com/nascar-daytona-500-race-goes-crash-145359887--abc-news-topstories.html
Why the Daytona crash should change auto racing for good

Every seat will be filled at Daytona International Speedway today after a team worked overnight to repair a fence that was breached in a horrific crash that injured at least 28 spectators in the grandstands.

Now watch someone will try to file a lawsuit on Nascar!!!

 

[JusSumguy]

They should file a lawsuit. They go there with reasonable security against injury.

I love NASCAR, but they knew it would happen again.

Here it is from the grandstand,

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nasca...aggregation&fb_aggregation_id=288381481237582

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[JusSumguy]

Been going on for years...

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[Rappyness]

Yup saw it on sports center. That was pretty bad and its unfortunate that noone was seriously injured! I am no nascar fan but I am going to watch this Daytona 500 because we might see the first female winner of it! I am just curious so we will see!

 

[WVHillbilly]

Meh, freak accident. They'll extend the catch-fence and perhaps strengthen the fencing. Not a huge deal and these things are only a real concern at a few of the tracks anyway (Daytona, Talladega, and maybe Atlanta).

 

[kidkvno1]

They should file a lawsuit. They go there with reasonable security against injury.

I love NASCAR, but they knew it would happen again.

Here it is from the grandstand,

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nasca...aggregation&fb_aggregation_id=288381481237582

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They can't file a lawsuit, on the back of every ticket there is a warning on it, that Nascar is not reasonable for anyone who buys a ticket and gets an injury, that you are putting your own life at risk.
The next time you're at a sporting's event, take a look at the back of the ticket.


I'm with WVH, it was a freak accident.

 

[JusSumguy]

In America, it's impossible to sign away your rights.

They had a reasonable expectation of not being injured. They'll sue, and NASCAR will settle.

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[OzExorcist]

In America, it's impossible to sign away your rights.

They had a reasonable expectation of not being injured. They'll sue, and NASCAR will settle.

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^ this.

I've never really been able to get into NASCAR, but do they not have wheel tethers or anything on the cars? Seeing that tyre just sitting there in the crowd is scary...

 

[TheKid84]

NASCAR will probably be proactive, if they haven't already, and correct their wrong. They will be sure to have the victims sign a no sue clause of some sort after the details are determined.

 

[inflnlte]

Its a freak accident and I think they should just move the fans away from the fence and move them a little higher as well. Didnt know there were warnings on the tickets - in every sport??

 

[kidkvno1]

In America, it's impossible to sign away your rights.

They had a reasonable expectation of not being injured. They'll sue, and NASCAR will settle.

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There was one lawsuit that was tossed out by the courts, tho i forgot which sports event it took place at.

^ this.

I've never really been able to get into NASCAR, but do they not have wheel tethers or anything on the cars? Seeing that tyre just sitting there in the crowd is scary...

Have you even seen the photos of how this happened?? IMO wheel tethers would not of worked, here are the photos of it.

Here is were the front of his car is at

 

[WVHillbilly]

Wheel tethers might have prevented the one that did the most damage though since it cleared the fencing entirely.

 

[OzExorcist]

Have you even seen the photos of how this happened?? IMO wheel tethers would not of worked, here are the photos of it.

So... that's a no, the sport doesn't use wheel tethers then?

I watched the video and the scariest bit for me was the wheel that came to rest in the middle of the crowd. People have been killed by wheels flying off a wreck like that - it's why F1 introduced wheel tethers years ago and they DO work. And even if they would have failed in an extreme situation like this, they're still a good idea.

 

[JusSumguy]

Wheel tethers are required in NASCAR,

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[snklzona]

That was a horrific crash and it was a lucky thing more were not injured or more seriously...if tethers are used they should be redesigned....

 

[WVHillbilly]

That was a horrific crash and it was a lucky thing more were not injured or more seriously...if tethers are used they should be redesigned....

They are used but don't really matter much when the entire front end of the car is gone.

 

[mjg1986]

Yeah as stated they do have wheel tethers...the tire that went into the crowd was still tethered to the suspension parts....the whole damn car came apart. I thought Kyle Larson was dead as i watched it happen.

 

[kidkvno1]

So... that's a no, the sport doesn't use wheel tethers then?

I watched the video and the scariest bit for me was the wheel that came to rest in the middle of the crowd. People have been killed by wheels flying off a wreck like that - it's why F1 introduced wheel tethers years ago and they DO work. And even if they would have failed in an extreme situation like this, they're still a good idea.

They do as in post's below!
One of two fans that was listed as critically, got hit by a piece of fence. leg injury

Wheel tethers are required in NASCAR,

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They are used but don't really matter much when the entire front end of the car is gone.

Yeah as stated they do have wheel tethers...the tire that went into the crowd was still tethered to the suspension parts....the whole damn car came apart. I thought Kyle Larson was dead as i watched it happen.

 

[JusSumguy]

That pole took a 3400 lb. car, traveling over 160 MPH, and stopped it dead in it's tracks... and Dale dies from a wall tap. Go figure.

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[twiztidwolff]

Reviving this topic because I am a huge NASCAR fan and have worked in the pits.
It is my opinion and this is from being a fan of motorsports for a very long time. They do have a liability waiver on the tickets, as we all know, as it does state on the tickets for all NASCAR sanctioned venues that I've ever been to or worked at
"at your own risk"
In motorsports if you are a fan and you "expect" that a freak accident could never happen and end up killing or severely hurting you, then you really shouldn't be attending. 43 cars going 200+mph, all it takes is the right elements and something really bad like this can happen.
On a side note the 2 most severely injured fans are no longer in the hospital (the 2 that were hit by the tire and suspension pieces) both have openly said they have no intentions to sue NASCAR or Daytona, and Daytona has offered both of them free suite tickets to watch the Daytona July races and the Daytona 500 for the next 5 years. Some of the drivers have donated money to these folks to cover their medical expenses that their insurance didn't cover. (This coming from my uncle who still works are Charlotte Motor Speedway)

 

[OzExorcist]

It is my opinion and this is from being a fan of motorsports for a very long time. They do have a liability waiver on the tickets, as we all know, as it does state on the tickets for all NASCAR sanctioned venues that I've ever been to or worked at
"at your own risk"
In motorsports if you are a fan and you "expect" that a freak accident could never happen and end up killing or severely hurting you, then you really shouldn't be attending. 43 cars going 200+mph, all it takes is the right elements and something really bad like this can happen.

That's all well and good - but the point was that if the people that got injured decided that they did want to sue, then that little "at your own risk" disclaimer on the tickets wouldn't have been allowed to stand in their way.

Glad to hear they're out of hospital and doing OK BTW, and obviously that was a kind gesture on the part of NASCAR and the drivers.

 

[WVHillbilly]

That's all well and good - but the point was that if the people that got injured decided that they did want to sue, then that little "at your own risk" disclaimer on the tickets wouldn't have been allowed to stand in their way.

Glad to hear they're out of hospital and doing OK BTW, and obviously that was a kind gesture on the part of NASCAR and the drivers.

Actually I read a few articles after the accident that said the statement on the tickets likely WOULD protect NASCAR/Daytona unless the fans could prove willful negligence. Obviously NASCAR likely would settle before dragging it out in court but the legal opinions I read said that the disclaimers on tickets are actually pretty good at protecting event organizers from lawsuits.

I was surprised when I read it.

 

[JusSumguy]

This is quite the deep subject... Personally I don't believe a contract is in place, merely by printing it on the ticket.

And a contract, based on that ticket statement, is what the issue is truly about

Here's a 34 page legal brief based on the same scenario as what we witnessed. Not black and white at all. --> CLICK

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[twiztidwolff]

The part that I take issue with is that NASCAR and Daytona weren't negligent, the catch fence met industry standard and actually because of the speeds had extra reinforcements.
NASCAR nor Daytona were negligent, and Daytona is the entity being sued just for reference NASCAR can't be sued because of Daytona's equipment. Anyhow the fans need to assume there is a risk involved you're talking about 43 cars going 200+mph, I don't care who you are if you don't believe there is even a 1% chance something could go seriously wrong and you could get hurt then I'm sorry but you probably shouldn't be there in the first place.
In reality of Daytona chooses to fight the cases that are approaching, they just need to prove that there was no negligence on their part to on the safety equipment and the fans that were injured should have understood the risk.

 

[twiztidwolff]

To add to what we already have heard/seen

ISC pays insurance deductible on Nationwide crash: Daytona International Speedway parent company International Speedway Corporation has paid a $1.1 million deductible in insurance costs related to the treatment of injuries for more than 30 fans hurt by debris Feb 23. On the final lap of the Nationwide Series race, the car driven by Kyle Larson got airborne and hit the catch fence in the area that can be unattached to allow fans and officials to go to and from the stands before and after a race. Fourteen people were admitted to the hospital following the accident. All have been released, ISC President John Saunders told financial analysts Thursday. In discussing its financial results for the first quarter of 2013 (December-February), ISC chief financial officer Dan Houser said the company had paid $1.1 million for the insurance deductible because of the Larson accident. The actual amounts expected to be paid out by insurance were not disclosed. According to the standard NASCAR sanctioning agreement filed by Dover International Speedway with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission, tracks are required to carry $50 million in insurance to cover costs of injuries and lawsuits arising from NASCAR races.(Sporting News)(4-5-2013)