Why do I win at every site besides ACR?

[Nuts2727]

I've been playing poker for about 20 years now. I wouldn't say I am the best, but I can hold my own. I generally play tournaments online, and have a positive profit across all sites except for ACR. I live in the USA, so I am limited on options. I generally play at Bovada, Global, BOL, Pokerbros, and ACR. Generally, when exiting a tournament, I can say to myself, "Well, nothing I can do about that". Of course, I will make a mistake once in a while, as I am only human. So I'm wondering why my strategy seems to work everywhere but ACR. I would ask if the players are just that much better there, but usually when exiting a tournament, I can say as I always do, "Well, nothing I can do about that". I feel like I say this to myself way more than I should on ACR. I've even seen a live streamer say this exact same thing, that he wins everywhere but ACR. I'm not just a bad player complaining here. Anyone can sharkscope me. My name is generally the same as my Cardschat name. I would never say any particular site is "rigged", but it makes me wonder when I win everywhere else. After all, what are the odds of just having bad luck on one particular site and not the rest. Any thoughts Cardschat family?

 

[Kenzie 96]

Why don't you just do a player to player transfer from you to whomever when you are tempted to play ACR & continue to play at all the sites you win on? Transfer half of the entry fee & your bankroll will last twice as long. No charge for this excellent advice. You are welcome.

 

[Nuts2727]

Why don't you just do a player to player transfer from you to whomever when you are tempted to play ACR & continue to play at all the sites you win on? Transfer half of the entry fee & your bankroll will last twice as long. No charge for this excellent advice. You are welcome.

I was already contemplating not playing at ACR anymore. This was kind of a last ditch effort to see if I'm just overreacting or not. Of course, just not playing there would be the obvious choice. One thing that really stands out to me is they are open to the world, yet can't get anyone to play there besides American players since we have limited options. Of course you will see a player here and there from elsewhere in the world, but it is 90% American players. I know the argument against this would be that the rest of the world has better options. To that I would say what about GGpoker. ACR has been around much longer than GG, yet GG blows them out of the water. Guess I will just be done with them. Thanks for responding

 

[fundiver199]

I did Sharkscope you as suggested, and your samples on Cereus, Merge and Revolution are to small (53-266) to mean anything. On pokerstars (played pre 2011?) and Global Poker you have not opted in, so I cant see your results or your graph. This leaves Chico and WPN, where your sample is decent (1.271-1.288), and as you say, your results are remarkedly different on the two sites.

Your ability rating is only 60 on WPN. A solid winning player should be above 70, as you are on some of the other sites. So maybe you are actually playing worse on ACR, because losing has become sort of a self fulfilling prophecy? It is also possible though, that the ability rating is calculated in part from your results, and then the low value could be a result of your losses rather than the other way around. Would be interesting, if someone actually know, how this ability rating is calculated?

The next thing to consider is the magnitude of variance. And I will have to say, that your graph on ACR is pretty consistently downsloping to an extend, where it seems unlikly to be just variance. So you are most likely a losing player on ACR in the games, you have played. But you are not doing all that great on Chico either. After 1.000 games you were still basically break-even, and your total ROI is only 6,8%. So maybe you just need to work more on your game, and maybe you should also consider to move down a bit, until you can show a higher ROI. Maybe limit yourself to something like 5,5 or 6,6$ MTTs and lower, until you can show more consistent results.

But with all that being said it is certainly possible, that ACR is a "tougher" site than Chico or Global Poker. I dont know much about Chico, but Global Poker as I understand it is only open to players from the USA and canada, and this will logically make it softer than a site like ACR, which is open to a wider international audience. And in that case why not just continue to play, where you have success? There is nothing wrong with following the path of least resistance.

 

[Nuts2727]

I did Sharkscope you as suggested, and your samples on Cereus, Merge and Revolution are to small (53-266) to mean anything. On PokerStars (played pre 2011?) and Global Poker you have not opted in, so I cant see your results or your graph. This leaves Chico and WPN, where your sample is decent (1.271-1.288), and as you say, your results are remarkedly different on the two sites.

Your ability rating is only 60 on WPN. A solid winning player should be above 70, as you are on some of the other sites. So maybe you are actually playing worse on ACR, because losing has become sort of a self fulfilling prophecy? It is also possible though, that the ability rating is calculated in part from your results, and then the low value could be a result of your losses rather than the other way around. Would be interesting, if someone actually know, how this ability rating is calculated?

The next thing to consider is the magnitude of variance. And I will have to say, that your graph on ACR is pretty consistently downsloping to an extend, where it seems unlikly to be just variance. So you are most likely a losing player on ACR in the games, you have played. But you are not doing all that great on Chico either. After 1.000 games you were still basically break-even, and your total ROI is only 6,8%. So maybe you just need to work more on your game, and maybe you should also consider to move down a bit, until you can show a higher ROI. Maybe limit yourself to something like 5,5 or 6,6$ MTTs and lower, until you can show more consistent results.

But with all that being said it is certainly possible, that ACR is a "tougher" site than Chico or Global Poker. I dont know much about Chico, but Global Poker as I understand it is only open to players from the USA and Canada, and this will logically make it softer than a site like ACR, which is open to a wider international audience. And in that case why not just continue to play, where you have success? There is nothing wrong with following the path of least resistance.

I cannot play on the major sites as I'm from the US. Hence, why pokerstars is pre 2011. Though I didn't do too bad on pokerstars when I could play there. ACR is open to the world, but for some reason is about 90% american players. So I don't see this being the issue, unless that 10% is just that good. Must be a reason the rest of the world chooses not to play there. I guess I will just delete ACR and move on. Thanks for responding.

 

[Nuts2727]

I did Sharkscope you as suggested, and your samples on Cereus, Merge and Revolution are to small (53-266) to mean anything. On PokerStars (played pre 2011?) and Global Poker you have not opted in, so I cant see your results or your graph. This leaves Chico and WPN, where your sample is decent (1.271-1.288), and as you say, your results are remarkedly different on the two sites.

Your ability rating is only 60 on WPN. A solid winning player should be above 70, as you are on some of the other sites. So maybe you are actually playing worse on ACR, because losing has become sort of a self fulfilling prophecy? It is also possible though, that the ability rating is calculated in part from your results, and then the low value could be a result of your losses rather than the other way around. Would be interesting, if someone actually know, how this ability rating is calculated?

The next thing to consider is the magnitude of variance. And I will have to say, that your graph on ACR is pretty consistently downsloping to an extend, where it seems unlikly to be just variance. So you are most likely a losing player on ACR in the games, you have played. But you are not doing all that great on Chico either. After 1.000 games you were still basically break-even, and your total ROI is only 6,8%. So maybe you just need to work more on your game, and maybe you should also consider to move down a bit, until you can show a higher ROI. Maybe limit yourself to something like 5,5 or 6,6$ MTTs and lower, until you can show more consistent results.

But with all that being said it is certainly possible, that ACR is a "tougher" site than Chico or Global Poker. I dont know much about Chico, but Global Poker as I understand it is only open to players from the USA and Canada, and this will logically make it softer than a site like ACR, which is open to a wider international audience. And in that case why not just continue to play, where you have success? There is nothing wrong with following the path of least resistance.

had to look myself up after reading this. The 6.8% ROI you speak of is actually WPN. My Chico ROI is 27%.

 

[fundiver199]

had to look myself up after reading this. The 6.8% ROI you speak of is actually WPN. My Chico ROI is 27%.

These numbers are average ROI, which is often higher than overall ROI, if you have been winning at low limits but losing or just winning less at higher limits. For instance on 888 Poker my average ROI is an absurdly high number, because I cashed in some promotional tournaments, where the buyin was only 1c and the overlay enormous. I think, I won close to 100$, and if my total buyin was 10c, that gives me an ROI of 10.000%, which is then weighted against for instance a 10% ROI in other games completely distorting the number.

Even without such extremes its obviously more important, how we have done in 11$ MTTs than 10c SnGs, so personally I always look at overall ROI, which is simply the total results divided by total amount invested. On Chico you have staked around 18.000$, and your profit is around 1.300$, which gives an overall ROI of 6,8%.

ACR is open to the world, but for some reason is about 90% american players. So I don't see this being the issue, unless that 10% is just that good.

This is true. I have actually played a bit on ACR and managed to turn 200$ into 400$. And as you say, most players are americans, so the 10% or even 20% non-americans should not make any major difference. I also did not feel, ACR was a particularly tough site compared to PokerStars or 888 Poker. The reason, I stopped playing there (at least for now) was to much waiting to get into SnGs, some weird MTT structures with 4+ hours of late registration and problems with disconnections.

I guess I will just delete ACR and move on. Thanks for responding.

You are welcome, and I think, that makes complete sense. If for whatever reason we are doing better in some games than others, there is no reason to continue, where we dont have success. Back in the day I gave up Zoom cash games for the same reason. Game selection is a big part of winning poker, and that can also mean picking one site over another.

 

[gustavofuentes2]

I really don't have a problem at ACR gut then again I only play micro games. Maybe you should study the field and make the necessary adjustments. Good Luck.

 

[Chica_bonita]

Hello!:ciao:
I have a thought about this. Of course, this is just an assumption:
when you play on one platform for a long time, you get used to it and get used to the random number generator of this platform. By switching to another platform, some of the usual actions don't work there. The random number generator is also different.
For example, if we compare Pokerstars and Pokerdom: it is much easier to collect flash on the second platform, since very often cards of the same suit fall on the table. At least more often than on Pokerstars (I think so).
Perhaps other platforms are just more familiar to you than ACR? In my opinion, comfort during the game also plays a role. Playing on ACR, you experience discomfort because certain things are unusual for you and this may affect the quality of your game.
I can say that I am comfortable playing on ACR and yes, I have won some tournaments.:angel:
I hope that your ACR failure streak will pass and you will overcome this barrier!

 

[LordSutch69]

LOL

I've been playing poker for about 20 years now. I wouldn't say I am the best, but I can hold my own. I generally play tournaments online, and have a positive profit across all sites except for ACR. I live in the USA, so I am limited on options. I generally play at Bovada, Global, BOL, Pokerbros, and ACR. Generally, when exiting a tournament, I can say to myself, "Well, nothing I can do about that". Of course, I will make a mistake once in a while, as I am only human. So I'm wondering why my strategy seems to work everywhere but ACR. I would ask if the players are just that much better there, but usually when exiting a tournament, I can say as I always do, "Well, nothing I can do about that". I feel like I say this to myself way more than I should on ACR. I've even seen a live streamer say this exact same thing, that he wins everywhere but ACR. I'm not just a bad player complaining here. Anyone can sharkscope me. My name is generally the same as my Cardschat name. I would never say any particular site is "rigged", but it makes me wonder when I win everywhere else. After all, what are the odds of just having bad luck on one particular site and not the rest. Any thoughts Cardschat family?

Terrible poker site, %100 rigged. When they say online poker sites were designed to make money, ACR is a perfect example of that. Fake players, bots, hacks, everyone uysing manipulating softw2are. i cqan actuaqlly prove my point with snap shots and video i have taken while playing certain players but anytime i try and show people here on CC they ban me because they have a lot to hide. Russia and Ukraine are at war but sure do seem to find time to take over all the tables at ACR lol its all fake. :joyman:

 

[mssmotilda]

I don’t understand at all, how in the most democratic country people are simply forbidden to play their favorite game where they want. I think that this is not fair and not democratic, and gambling problems can be solved in other ways.

 

[Nuts2727]

I don’t understand at all, how in the most democratic country people are simply forbidden to play their favorite game where they want. I think that this is not fair and not democratic, and gambling problems can be solved in other ways.

Well stated. I completely agree with you.

 

[Cooking]

I don't have good results on ACR too, but to be honestly I did not play enough games there to be able to compare with other sites. But I think it's common a player have better results in a poker site. In my case I have better results in 888poker and PS, so, I play 90% of the time in these two rooms.

 

[makisaa]

It is strange, but I think if you insist and make some changes in your acr games, maybe it will correct the results. For example change game type, or buy-in for the games.

 

[KrazyKoo]

Lately I have been thinking that poker is rigged. I win more at some sites too.

 

[antonis32123]

I have noticed it , some win moreon a poker room , but less or no $$ at all in another one . Maybe it has to do with the players' field .

 

[Luvepoker]

Some sites are just tougher than others and that maybe the issue. I do think the competition varies from site to site to be honest. While I understand what your saying about ACR, I have heard the same argument from others saying this about other site that your playing and ACR is the best. Now I admit I dont think there are issues with the sites, I do find certain one that have better advantages. Playing on sites with smaller fields does lead to smaller variance in the game. As fundiver said your sample size is small so it wont be as accurate but if your playing in larger games on one site vs another it would be very easy to see big swings in you number.

 

[Poker Orifice]

Terrible poker site, %100 rigged. When they say online poker sites were designed to make money, ACR is a perfect example of that. Fake players, bots, hacks, everyone uysing manipulating softw2are. i cqan actuaqlly prove my point with snap shots and video i have taken while playing certain players but anytime i try and show people here on CC they ban me because they have a lot to hide. Russia and Ukraine are at war but sure do seem to find time to take over all the tables at ACR lol its all fake. :joyman:

How many accounts have you made on CC?

As far as ACR goes, I'm not sure what you're going off about. I rarely play on there but just started to a bit the past two weeks & my experience has been the complete opposite to your's (from the sounds of it). 4-tabling some micro cash tables, I was up to or over 200bb's on all tables within 30mins. It was fantastic!!! I'm planning on playing there much more often ('IF'... hear that ACR Rep.,.. "IF I can get the huge CPU resource hog issues sorted")

 

[moularaki]

in my opinion ACR is the worst
not only in the design but in cashing out also. concerning the software, i'm having problems like you.

 

[FIERROS]

I don't have good results on ACR too.

 

[MikeCarasone]

ACR is the most difficult site to win on because the player pool is obv worldwide and the best. It got even harder when Pokerstars amd others stopped allowing Russians to play. Now every table you will on has a few or more skilled Russians playing. the site isn’t rigged , poker against the best players in the world gets more difficult , especially when more money is involved. Smaller sites are way easier to win because the competition isn’t as good. Unfortunately ACR is one of USA’s only choices if you wanna play in high prize pool events. Study up and ACR will get easier. This isn’t an attack at anyone in particular , it’s just how it is. The cards run out the same for everyone. Learning how to extract the most chips takes lot of skill.

 

[Eduard0Felipe]

LOL



Terrible poker site, %100 rigged. When they say online poker sites were designed to make money, ACR is a perfect example of that. Fake players, bots, hacks, everyone uysing manipulating softw2are. i cqan actuaqlly prove my point with snap shots and video i have taken while playing certain players but anytime i try and show people here on CC they ban me because they have a lot to hide. Russia and Ukraine are at war but sure do seem to find time to take over all the tables at ACR lol its all fake. :joyman:

I would like to have access to such evidence.

 

[Daniel72]

Many people underestimate the importance of sample sizes in poker.
You need hundreds of thousands of cash game hands or thousands of mtt's to know, if you are a winning player.
But it also can be a case of micro tilt because the software is bad (like ACR or 888 - it seems from the 80's - compared to PokerStars)
and then you maybe play a little bit weaker there...

 

[fundiver199]

ACR is the most difficult site to win on because the player pool is obv worldwide and the best. It got even harder when Pokerstars amd others stopped allowing Russians to play. Now every table you will on has a few or more skilled Russians playing. the site isn’t rigged , poker against the best players in the world gets more difficult , especially when more money is involved. Smaller sites are way easier to win because the competition isn’t as good. Unfortunately ACR is one of USA’s only choices if you wanna play in high prize pool events. Study up and ACR will get easier. This isn’t an attack at anyone in particular , it’s just how it is. The cards run out the same for everyone. Learning how to extract the most chips takes lot of skill.

Most of the players on ACR are still americans though. Right now I am playing a session of 3-10$ SnGs, and around 3 out of 4 opponents are americans. But sure there are also players from other countrys like Russia. Just played a lengthy heads-up in a 10$ 9-man SnG against a russian player, who is almost certainly some kind of pro or semipro. Not any different from playing on other international sites like PokerStars though.

 

[discintildeath]

I have quite often felt this but now that im beginning to study more and find my leaks I just understand that I'm not quite as strong in spots as I thought. Starting hand analysis and study on a regular basis for myself and being okay with making mistakes is a big way for me to get better. Trying not to have shame in making choices that arent the best, but to learn how it feels in that position isn't the most profitable way to do it and it can hurt the ego. But sometimes we are just needing to realize how bad we actually are compared to how much better we could be.