PokerStars Hold'em Bots!!

[britisharmy1]

I have a question for all you guys, and i don't know if you know, but rumour has it there are a couple of third-party (non-house) bots goin around ring and SnG tables on pokerstars!

Does anybody know if this is true, because i think i beat a bot the other day, i would raise like 3 times the BB pre-flop he would always call, then every bet after that (i was bluffing) he would fold, and it kept on happening, but then when he had a good hand with higher probability than me, i would bet then he'd raise then it would go raise-raise-raise-raise, its highly suspicious because it was NLHE, therefore any normal human poker player would just do the good old all-in if their hand was that 'raisable' rather than raising all the time!!!??? If anybody confirms this and spots-the-bot lol tell him i want my chips back! I beat him/it a couple of times but he mainly won with higher kickers etc. goddamn hippy!.

I thought i'd post this thread just as a word of warning, i know there are hundreds of live-bots goin around on party poker, Titan Poker and noble poker (and loads more) but never thought pokerstars would allow it, i dont think its a house-bot because cumon, those guys are raking in millions from the tables daily, im sure they wouldnt stick their own money in to just basically get half of it or all of it back.

Oh and one more thing, this is a really simple strategy to beat-that-bot, simply raise pre-flop, it always folds even if it had 10s Js or As Ks, that catches it out, it never calls connector cards, or offsuited hands such as 5s 7h, so if you think theres a bot in your room, raise preflop, particularly on small stakes games and the only time it will call (never raises preflop) is when its holding pocket cards, but even then bots throw away any pockets below 8 (8's or better) i found all this out off a friend of mine he does have a 'holdem bot', but has swore down not to use it on real-money games, he just gets a bit greedy trying to hit that 10 mil mark on play money in PP but even then he says he would never let the bot sit the game for him, because to be honest they are crap, poker may be mathematical on most occasions, but NLHE is a peoples game, psychological and mentally demanding, no computer in the world has this sort of fuzzy logic, not unless you know any lying computers???

However, apparently some university in canada has annonced the worlds most artificially intelligent bot to be produced late next year, they said it will beat any professional poker player out there, as it has been programmed by the pro's giving the bot their game-plans etc. i still dont believe it will work but many poker rooms have offered to allow the bot to sit down on small stakes tables as a testing ground with the pro's.

What is the internet coming to, when it all started out online poker was a friendly community, easy to trust, and a good old game of poker, now its full of all sorts of scams, just wait 10 years time i wonder what online poker will be like then, thats if the gamings commision hasnt made it all go bust due to it being unfair and corrupt!

Well i don't know if this has been interesting to you guys, but i needed to get a conversation going, so ill hopfully be speaking to some people interested, and if anybody knows if the pokerstar's bots rumours is true please tell me asap, otherwise i might be withdrawing my cash or transferring to PKR until the PS team has dealt with the scam.

 

[Swanny]

There was a huge bot scandal at Full Tilt recently. Documented, not rumored.

I'm sure bot's are at every sight and just hope that all sites continue to police them (which they are).

I look at bots like steroid testing. You can test all you want but there will always be something new that comes along that is not currently being tested for. The sites just need to continue to police as best they can and adjust to the new bots.

 

[Afterlife000]

Thats happened before on Full Tilt. And ive seen some of the pros playing in 5/10 play chips. Pros wouldnt waste there time playing in play chips. And its always the same pros, playing at the same table. They never talk, and they fold or call instantly.

 

[crancko]

Cant see why the PKR would be better. I suspect your suspicions are rigged!

 

[robwhufc]

Does anybody know if this is true, because i think i beat a bot the other day, i would raise like 3 times the BB pre-flop he would always call, then every bet after that (i was bluffing) he would fold, and it kept on happening, but then when he had a good hand with higher probability than me, i would bet then he'd raise then it would go raise-raise-raise-raise, its highly suspicious because it was NLHE, therefore any normal human poker player would just do the good old all-in if their hand was that 'raisable' rather than raising all the time!!!???

I had to read this when I saw the title was in capital letters. Capital letters = important.

Nice detective work, but dont human players fold bad hands and raise good ones too? Isn't that really how you play poker? And if the betting went raise-raise-raise-raise, then surely you were playing like a bot too?Maybe you are a bot?

poker sites should make players do one of those code sign ins (with the wavy letters and numbers that spiders/bots etc apparently cant read) every couple of hours. That would get rid of the bots wouldn't it?

 

[NineLions]

I try to play like a bot, but mostly I'm not successful.

The University of Alberta is the university with the leading computerized poker player, and they have a poker program to practice with that they sell. There is an Artificial Intelligence convention coming to my town next month, including the U of A and other universities playing a HU poker tourney. From what I've read, all the university programs work best playing HU rather than at full tables, and, they are designed to look for playing styles of their opponents and apply countertactics.

The university has an interesting forum site discussing the program, including some discussion threads by people developing their own players for the software, and stuff about programming to "scrape", that is, to read the graphic information from your screen and turn that into data to be used for calculations.


I might try to go see some of the displays and demonstrations when the conference gets here.

 

[britisharmy1]

I had to read this when I saw the title was in capital letters. Capital letters = important.

Nice detective work, but dont human players fold bad hands and raise good ones too? Isn't that really how you play poker? And if the betting went raise-raise-raise-raise, then surely you were playing like a bot too?Maybe you are a bot?

Poker sites should make players do one of those code sign ins (with the wavy letters and numbers that spiders/bots etc apparently cant read) every couple of hours. That would get rid of the bots wouldn't it?

Good idea for confirmation, but the thing is, the bot doesnt automatically open the pokerstars App up, the human player does, then loads up a few tables, programs the bot to desired settings then is left running, so even if they had the weird number/letter confirmation thing the human would still put that in, and the guy a few threads before about the raise-raise stuff, you are right maybe i was pushing my strategies a little, as I asumed it was a bot i took its playing still with me and played with it, but when i used my normal playing style (check-raising, checking to river on good hands until they bet etc.) i always got beat, but when I played the same I usually won by counter-attacking its strategy, maybe i was a little too paranoid, but from what ive read about bots in previous forums their strategies matched my paranoia.

 

[britisharmy1]

oh and plus you said human players fold bad hands, raise on good ones... well many people believe it is 70% mentality and 30% plain luck, bots ONLY call 8's or better, humans can call whatever they want, or even raise, well I would have to agree that poker is merely a game of luck, about 90% luck and 10% mentality...... what is a good hand in poker?, because the odds of a 4s coming out to a As is the same, as for a 2d and an Ad theres always 4 of the same card in a deck, somebody could bet on AsKd and another player with the balls to call with 2d7h could just as well when, we've all seen bad flops e.g. 2d2h7s etc. then the raiser with the AK is going to think, he called my raise... why would he have 27???? thats how you can intercept as the raiser would think he has the upper hand, throwing all his chips in, and comes out a big surprise that the other opponent called his AK with 27 and took the full house whereas the player with the highest hole cards had the pair of 2's Ace+King kicker, some people would agree with me, some/most wouldnt, everyone has their own opinions.... however for me i would only play this loose with low blinds, but only a couple of hands like this i would call in a tournament/SnG.

 

[Swanny]

^^ The two longest sentences ever.

 

[RamBone]

have seen players like what you are talking about on pokerstars and fulltilt and have haerd about hem for a longtime but how do you know they are bots forshure?

 

[rob5775]

but when i used my normal playing style (check-raising, checking to river on good hands until they bet etc.) i always got beat, but when I played the same I usually won by counter-attacking its strategy, maybe i was a little too paranoid, but from what ive read about bots in previous forums their strategies matched my paranoia.

I think this is a good idea against non-bots also.

This thread is great.

 

[smd173]

Thats happened before on Full Tilt. And ive seen some of the pros playing in 5/10 play chips. Pros wouldnt waste there time playing in play chips. And its always the same pros, playing at the same table. They never talk, and they fold or call instantly.

The contracts the pros have with Full Tilt require them to play all over the site, chat, and play for x number of hours per week.

Although I wouldn't rule out that others are playing for the pros. I've witnessed Chip Jett playing HORSE while Pokernews reported that he was playing in the wsop Razz tourney.

 

[Vhyre]

I recall playing at Noble and there being nothing but bots at a limit table. Blink blink bet, blink blink fold, blink blink check...ad nauseum. AI is getting more and more sophisticated every day. I can only hope the sites make the effort to police these things.

 

[britisharmy1]

yeah noble and titan are the worst of them all for bots, because bots are readily available for anybody to download from , which shouldnt be legal, this bot ONLY works in noble or titan poker...(i wonder why...) thats why i never deposited any money into them poker rooms, just PKR an PS, however, i have to admit now, i thought id download the bot myself and see how they really do work myself.

I downloaded the bot free off the link above, this bot is all over free download sites, torrent sites etc. so is readily available, then you install it and it prompts you to download noble or titan......when i clicked d/l noble, my norton AV prompted a trojan horse, i cancelled installation and tryed again twice, same thing happened, it was first of all trying to put a trojan on my laptop, not to mention a W32.Spybot.Worm..........(probably programmed to steal your bank details rather than stealing others money....). because Norton was stopping the virus from working, i carried on with the installation.

I opened it up in Noble poker, then fired up holdem-bot, it said to sit at a table and stay sat-out for 3 hands... (i think thats for it to gather basic player information at the table e.g. what hands he/she calls/raises etc.).

Now heres the funny bit.... after the 3 hands its ass gets into gear, plays every hand for you, it prompts ''now lets kick ass....'' lol, well anyway i sat at the table with $1,500 (play chips) and let it go to work. i didnt leave, i watched every move it made, what hands it calls etc. and from what my friend previously told me and what i explained above, is all correct. They play very basic and mathematically, and turns out bots are easy enough to catch out, just so long as you know its a bot your up against.

I heard they held a human vs. AI poker tourney in some cruise ship before, trying to prove the AI could beat a human player....nah didnt happen.

Signs of bots are usually the following:

- Constant disconnections/time-outs during hands
- Same time intervals between thinking times, usually 2-3 seconds on a fast CPU
- Plays extremely tight (hard one to tell as many poker players play this way anyway...)
- Obviously never chats back in chat etc. but still some people prefer not to get along in poker rooms lol
- And also the stuff i mentioned previously like the raise-raise-raise-raise rather than just a basic all-in

The conclusion is, bots are actually pieces of crap, technical experiments made by some sad geek that sits in his bedroom all day jerking off, his experiement has failed me, and made my mind a little more at ease, because after leaving the bot for half an hour, it got fro 1,500 to 14,000, then 5 minutes later, i had half a small blind left in my play money BR.

So basically if theres a bot in your room, i wouldn't say leave and change tables, because they are easy forms of money if you outplay the machine enough, especially in NLHE, however they tend to be extremely hard to beat in Limit poker.

I know this is yet another long story lol, i took the dudes advice above too, sorry bout the long sentencing, crappy grammar lol, so ive tried splitting it into paragraphs for ya, but i needed to say this, maybe it has put some peoples mind at ease when playing online NLHE they are not actually a major threat, i would consider downloading it to try it on play money, but ONLY and ONLY if you have some anti-virus/anti-malware program installed, otherwise dnt try and expriement with it, and for god sake lol NEVER let this thing control a proper real bankroll, it WILL go bust eventially.