BetOnline, just really bad players or something else?

[brianwei]

I would love to see answers to any of these questions....everything you just spoke of is why i wont deposit one red cent on that site any longer. They have sent me countless promotions and freeplay options for the sportsbook betting and I am just not interested. FWIW, i dont believe it to be coincidental. Ive heard the same story too many times, story as in make a deposit - things go well, run good for a day or so - make a second deposit or add on to your first deposit - then run amazingly or incredibly bad until you deposit again and the cycle repeats itself.

Last hand i played there was $1/$2NL, i 4bet AA preflop, got a caller to the flop for $65 - flop came AJ9 rainbow, i bet about 1/4 pot, mp villan shoves all in, i snap call - they show 55 - well as if you couldnt tell, the turn comes a 5 and the river comes a 5. The player had me covered, this happened about 15 mins or so after running into set over set at the same table. Frustrated i took the "casino" and blew the rest of my roll playing blackjack, i was just angry and ready to go broke. If i EVER go to play on BOL again, it will be from freerolls only, I will never deposit money with them again.

This wasnt the first instance of this happening to me - I had a few bad hands saved in my hand history folder on my old PC where i flopped quad 3's once on a 33A board, had an opponent raise my flop bet, then call my all in with 66 and runner runner better quads. The only other hand i can recall being steamed about from them was holding KK and flopping a K on a very dry board, getting shoved on by a player holding A6 offsuit - the 6 being bottom pair, then runner runnering quad 6s as well. Just some really impossible runouts and situations in general - spots where you flop SOOO strong you cant possibly fold to a shove and then your opponent gets incredibly "lucky". I will have to see if i can dig up my old emails to them, I had hand history records to support all of these wild instances, and i had video evidence of this kind of thing as well. The ignored all of my evidence in the end and told me its all part of the game...if you play enough there, you will find out how much of the "game" is truly unreal. Bad beats happen, sometimes people catch their 2% on you, thats part of the game...but when you get beat by opponents who are less than 1% on the river, more than once in the same 4 - 5 hours, in multiple sessions....its a little astronomical.


I made 3 or 4 small deposits there, for a total of less than $400 or so, and had some very successful sessions - I turned a $40 deposit into just under $180 in about 4 hours. The next day, all the runbad started and no matter how much i walked away within about 2 or 3 weeks and multiple unreal suckouts and many different stakes - i went broke again. After this happened multiple times, enough was enough for me.

I got exactly that same hand (AA vs 55) a few days ago! Really sounds like such hands are pre-dealt?

 

[bakang]

Shet on Line makes people hate poker if you look at their stats. Of course they would never show us their stats because who wants to see santa r@ping the easter bunny? Another AK losing to Q8 and why ever read a book about poker if the friendly forum is going to lead you to Bet on Lies free wednesdays?
There seems to be little use to complain. "ok you caught us, we'll do better next time." And increase the incentive for poker sites to send traffic there. Gl at the tables

 

[bigwigz1]

I have gotten a royal flush there and it won nothing. I have video of getting bad beats over and over, not true bad beats but you know. They fish you out and then the river drops and you lose. I have so much video of so much crap

 

[oulous]

BOL/SBP/"Chico" is similar to most other online poker sites. Check their Trustpilot reviews. There are pages upon pages upon pages of reading material there. There are a few accounts that are winning accounts, while the rest follow the same trend that is seen time and time again on every online poker site. Deposit -> Briefly run-good -> Run bad until account runs down to zero -> Restart the process. If you're not consistently winning, the obvious solution is to do freerolls and try to build a bankroll that way. The only other site I know of that I have not tested yet is Run It Once.

Yes this is exactly right. It would not be difficult to code this into a poker game. I have seen this a dozen times. I deposit and I do really well then get wound and ground down to 0.

 

[Suns of Beaches]

Yes this is exactly right. It would not be difficult to code this into a poker game. I have seen this a dozen times. I deposit and I do really well then get wound and ground down to 0.

No its not exactly right its completly wrong. You can not take Trustpilot reviews of pokersites any seriously. They are full of losing players, angry donkeys and people who tried to cheat in some way or another, got banned and now are salty.

If you lose your deposit on any pokersite playing micros you are just not good enough/played with bad brm or played not enough samplesize with bad brm.

Trust me i have seen it numerous times, players here complain about a certain site and then i play with them in cardschat tournaments and its becoming very obvious why they are not winning.

Hint why they are not winning longterm: its not because of the site 🙂

 

[Dale3380]

I can tell everyone betonline is rigged!!I should have ben paid for winning bad beat jackpot. B1597719 Dale-3380 is my new screen name they made me delete my sportsbetting account to try betonline .Not knowing they are exactly the same thing would have just stayed at sportsbetting but this made me look like a brand new customer at betonline and why they thought they could steal my bad beat jackpot winnings ?On June 14,2019 around 9pm my quad tens lost to strait flush with a record high pot of over a million bucks!!Betonline congratulated me at first but took a week to confirm my win ?Then informed me i did not win because i needed jacks to lose to win jackpot !This is an outragous bold face lie!This contest started with quad 9s so jacks where never in play!But if they would have ben everyone knows contest may start with jacks but never ends with jacks if pot starts getting big quads are auto lowered .It was at quad 4s when i won then they stoled my money!!I think they thought i was a brand new customer amd they could get bye with ripping me off ?This site is not safe or honest or respectable .May not ever get my money and have tried everhthing!!Imagine trying to get a piece of this jackpot for years and win then have it stolen bye this site that is worth millions but still resorts to ripping customers off every chance they get?Eddie Robbins needs to be thrown in prison for a long long time!!

 

[Dale3380]

Betonline is crooked scum of the earth!I won bad beat jackpot in June 2019 .Was congratulated but had to wait a week to confirm winnings.They sent me email saying i did not win and needed jacks to lose to better hand ?They changed the rules raising reseed amount and this dropped starting quads to 9s.On top of that everyone knows that if it started at quad jacks as pot gets bigger quads get lowered and never ends with winner needing quad jacks.My new screen name was Dale3380 player #b1597718. They thought i was a brand new customer is why i think they ripped me off??But had ben playing for years at sister site .They made me delete my sportsbetting account to play at betonline making me look brand new.They thought brand new customer would not know difference?They owe me a half million bucks and may not ever get it!Eddie Robbins and owners need to be put in prison for a long time.

 

[the_parrot]

Made initial deposit. Slowly built bank-roll over 2 day period. Normal ups and downs with a few bad beats, really bad beats but that's expected. Experienced typical "bad variance" as well, played a ton of hands. On the third day something was different. A few players that were fish on days 1 and 2 turned into savage wolves jamming and re-raising me every-time. Was still getting aa and kk in typical fashion, but now the whole table is auto-folding no matter what raise size i do, i varied it to feel things out because it was so blatantly odd i suspected something was up almost immediately. Every marginal hand i fold, a boat appears for my would-be hand. Every hand i dont get jammed out on, a 3 flush flops of a suit i don't have. AA and kk are like a golden unicorn at this point. The rare instance i have a chance to jam my top pair top kicker, i get sucked out on by a player who frequently jams with rags, normally, i would say "great, i've experienced players jamming with rags in live action, they get lucky once, then you end up with 3 re-buys worth of their money by the end of the night." Not on Betonline, they never bust out, and this is the most bizarre aspect of the play here, post "initial run of steady success," these players steadily grow their stack until they disappear, usually after a particularly suspicious hand. If it's a sit and go, they win, maybe losing one hand the whole session, looking like the Doyle Brunson of $1.50 double or nothing. I salute people making the effort to record play and post hand histories to support this phenomenon, but for me it just doesn't do it justice, some will rightfully argue the hands as bad beats, because they are, but any experienced live action player who puts in some time on BOL will just "see it," this experience does not exist in the wild. Anyone who tries to tell me that what i experienced is normal, you are pissing on my leg and telling me it's raining. Them: "how do you know it's not rain? Did you run a chemical test on it? Me: "Well, i saw you whip it out, now my leg is warm/wet, i don't think i need a chemical test, i'm just going to pimp slap you and avoid future encounters with you."

Conclusion-
I'm a US based forensic accountant (i'm also a very experienced NLH player). I can't encounter a situation like this w/out trying to figure out what the hell is going on. I frequently hear people complaining about bots on BOL. This would be entity-level fraud, not that the site itself wouldn't de-fraud an american player who has no recourse, but i don't think they would go about it in this way, nor did it feel like this is specifically what was happening. To me, it felt like i was playing against a few players, actual human players, who could see my cards. It also felt like these human players knew what was coming most of the time, it also appeared that the few obviously legitimate american players, real humans like myself who deposited money on the site to play poker, were being targeted in a similar fashion, and their stack(s) would mirror mine in an eerie way. The stack slowly goes down, every playable hand gets jammed on by the player to your left, and as the "real" player waits for that opportunity to bust the fish w/ a set or AA, etc, the player to the left speed folds. The "fish" are the ones who consistently bust you, never busting out themselves. I suspect that the value of an american dollar is high enough in the locales where the site operates, and with corruption/oversight not being a fraction of what it is in US, that the incentive and opportunity are both there for site employees, as well as friends/family members of site employees, to access admin tools while playing and "unmask" player hands and common cards. There is an anecdote posted on another forum by a player who claims to have experienced "normal play" after complaining directly to the site regarding this type of activity. This makes sense to me, as those participating in the fraud are likely close to whoever would be receiving that type of complaint, and while tacitly accepted, the behavior is at least encouraged to cease w/ respect to the player who is trying to draw attention to it, the site would not change its algorithm or re-program its bots to lay off a player though, i don't believe, so i would go all-in on lax controls over the admin tools vs. site-wide programming fraud as the culprit.

I agree