PokerStars are suspending all services in Russia

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PokerStars have just announced on their Facebook page, that they are suspending all services in Russia. No reason is given, but for sure this must be connected to the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Some forum members including myself have called for this move for quite some time already, so I am happy to see, that PokerStars is finally doing, what many other international companies have already done.

As a player, of course, this is not great news because human is human and many poker players in Russia (generally many citizens) are not conscious of the extent of the war. On the other hand, this is of course a good step because Russians are losing more and more touch with reality and by depriving them of consumer goods and addictive goods like poker, they are forced to be partially torn out of the matrix. Even if Russia builds their own matrix, sooner or later it hurts.:(
 
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I am not quite sure punishing poker players for Putin's crimes is the right thing to do, although I do understand the move. It is in a way justified.
 
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I am not quite sure punishing poker players for Putin's crimes is the right thing to do, although I do understand the move. It is in a way justified.


In your opinion, is it right to remove everything related to RUSSIA (sport, art, history)? Introduce sanctions because of which those who introduce them suffer first of all? However, Biden and the West helped Russia get rid of unnecessary oligarchs who robbed the country and hindered the development of the country, at the moment Russia is starting to develop rapidly, as China did in turn.
 
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Can I ask people to stop and think before they make thoughtless comments in this thread. Thoughtless being 'why punish the Russian people for the Russian governments actions?

This invasion has now being ongoing for three months so there are no excuses for a shallow take on the matter. Yes, no doubt this was Putin's decision at the outset, the blame lies entirely at his feet.

However, at this point, several hundred thousand Russians (at least) have been involved in killing countless civilians. They have executed people, bombed and shelled civilians from tanks, planes and warships. They have raped women and children - and they appear to be fully supported by most of the population back in Russia.

If you bothered to stop and think about the arc of this vicious campaign, you would comprehend this is no longer Putin's war, but the war of countless Russians who are supporting him and murdering thousands.

This is the simplest of facts to grasp so anyone making superficial comments on the matter is simply underlining they have given the matter little to no thought.
 
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at the moment Russia is starting to develop rapidly

Thats a highly optimistic assumption, which likely has no resemblance with reality at all. The russian economy developed rapidly from 1999 to 2013 thanks to rising energi prices and the countrys increased integration in the global economy. Since 2013 it has contracted though. Or if we are kind stagnated, since some of the fluctuations are due to currency movements.

Right now record high commodity prices are keeping the rubble and the russian economy afloat. The manufacturing sector however is not doing well, since it lack or will soon lack a lot of components, that used to be imported and can not easily be replaced. And of course russians working for those foreign companies, that left the country, are now unemployed.

And looking further ahead within a year or two commodity prices will likely come back down to earth, as adjustments happen globally to both the supply and demand side. And Europe will eventually stop buying Russian gas, which can not as easily be sold to other customers, as oil can. So the economic outlook for Russia is pretty bleak, and anyone pretending something different are fooling themselfes.

Russia GDP Per Capita 1988-2022 | MacroTrends
 
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Every day that goes by, this is looking more and more like a proxy war. U.S. sending 40 billion to support Ukraine. America does not want to fight Russia but America does not mind letting as many Ukranian lives as it takes to be used to help weaken Russia.

When America invaded Iraq, it caused millions of refugees, not much difference than Russia invading Ukraine causing millions of refugees. And President Bush proclaimed we want to free the people, much like the rhetoric of Putin saying he wants to free people.

I think the only ones that prosper are the bomb makers.
 
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Every day that goes by, this is looking more and more like a proxy war. U.S. sending 40 billion to support Ukraine. America does not want to fight Russia but America does not mind letting as many Ukranian lives as it takes to be used to help weaken Russia.

Basically this argument boils down to, that when a relatively small country is assaulted by a larger neighbour, then the best thing, the rest of the world can do, is to not send weapons or other assistance, so that the assaulted country can surrender unconditionally to the attacker as soon as possible.

Apart from the fact, that this completely ignore, that the vast majority of people in Ukraine dont want to come under russian rule (especially not now that they have been invaded), it also ignore the question of, what will happen, if Russia win the war? Lets say that Russia will be satisfied with grabbing some big pieces of land in the south and east of Ukraine, and that the government of Ukraine eventually agree to this, so that a peace treaty can be signed.

Is this then going to mean a lasting peace, or will Russia just attack again, when they have gathered enough strenght to do so? The analysis in countries like USA, Poland and importantly Ukraine itself is, that the latter scenario is far more likely. And this is also supported by, what Putin have wrote and said during the years, including that the dissolution of the Sovjet Union was a big mistake, and his demand, that Nato withdraw troops from all of Eastern Europe.

If this analysis is correct, then there will be no lasting peace, unless Russia is weakened to a point, where russian policy makers realise, that it would be totally suicidal to try another "special operation" again. Ideally there should also be a regime change in Kreml, but obviously this is not something, the outside would can constitute without invading Russia, which nobody wants to do.

When America invaded Iraq, it caused millions of refugees, not much difference than Russia invading Ukraine causing millions of refugees. And President Bush proclaimed we want to free the people, much like the rhetoric of Putin saying he wants to free people.

Yes the invasion of Irak in 2003 was wrong, but that does not mean, that supporting Ukraine in 2022 is wrong. There are also important nuances like the fact, there were UN sanctions in place against Irak, because the country has assaulted Kuwait in 1991. No such sanctions are in place against Ukraine, Ukraine is a democracy and Ukraine has not assaulted any other country.

So Putin has absolutely no foundation for claiming, that he want to free the people of Ukraine, while there was at least some argument for freeing the people of Irak from their dictator. After he was captured, the people of Irak executed him, so at least some of them were not sad to see him go. The real problem was the chaos, which Irak then degraded into, because islamic fundamentalists supported by Iran tried to take over the country.

I think the only ones that prosper are the bomb makers.

As someone living in Europe I do actually feel, it benefits me, if Russia dont start any more wars after this one. So as long as the ukraineans are willing and able to continue their fight, I am all for supporting them, and I am also all for sanctions against Russia to limit the countrys ability to attack its neighbours.
 
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That's right, until Putin stops the so-called "special operation", and this is a real war. Substitution of concepts. They brainwashed everyone with their propaganda. I would ban Russia wherever possible, and let them feed on their gasoline and gas.
 
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Sad to see people make wars. People should love each other like there's no tomorrow.
 
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very bad news - a lot of good players out there
 
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The ban on pokerstars is not a big blow to Russians. Poker is not a daily bread. There is much more ahead of them — default and high inflation. Their money will be toilet paper.
This inflation was already in the 90s. When everyone became millionaires at once. Salaries were paid in millions of local currency.
ha ha ha!! they were imposed with sanctions - and the whole world is bursting at the seams and trying to survive!!! and Putin didn't even do anything, but what will happen if he imposes retaliatory sanctions???
 
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It does not seem to me a very wise decision, those who play poker in Russia are the people, not the government, the people always pay the consequences of bad governments.
ironically ,you quoted doyle saying 'poker is war ' . doh , so lets use it in the war against Putin !
 
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Because that tournament began on sunday, before PokerStars decided to stop their services. Its a 2-day event, and they did not kick russian players out of tournaments, that had already begun. Which would certainly not have been fair either.
what about acr ?are they doing the same?
 
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PokerStars have just announced on their Facebook page, that they are suspending all services in Russia. No reason is given, but for sure this must be connected to the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Some forum members including myself have called for this move for quite some time already, so I am happy to see, that PokerStars is finally doing, what many other international companies have already done.
This, in no way, will change the events in Ukraine. Eventually, an agreement will be entered into with Putin and Ukraine. And, Russia will keep most of the Eastern Regions of the Urkaine.
 
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what about acr ?are they doing the same?

Russians are still playing on ACR. According to Pokerscout.com volume is at a multiyear low at ACR right now. So maybe american players are leaving as a result? And maybe they should consider changing their name to RCR? (Russias CardRoom) :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 
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This, in no way, will change the events in Ukraine. Eventually, an agreement will be entered into with Putin and Ukraine. And, Russia will keep most of the Eastern Regions of the Urkaine.
I dont think, Ukraine will agree to hand over territory to Russia. And even if they do, it will just mean, that Russia will use the "peace" to rebuild its military force, so that they can attack again in Ukraine or elsewhere in, what they believe "historically belong to Russia". Putin recently compared himself to Peter the Great (a russian emperor from 300 years ago), and this is, what the rest of the world or at least Europe need to deal with.
 
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According to your president that will never happen, he wants the good old USSR back.
 
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Hello.
Yes, I agree poker stars has been and will be one of the best poker rooms in the Internet space, but do not forget, the world is changing, this is not the most important thing to worry about...
 
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Since March 2014, the site has been blocked in Russia by Roskomnadzor, but Russian users have found a way to bypass the blocking. Now that the functionality of the site has already been blocked by two parties. I think this is the right decision, you need to stay away from Russia - this is an aggressor country that launched a war in the center of Europe.
 
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this political war dosnt concern millions of people in Russia ..but its not a big deal, they can stil play other poker rooms.
 
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It seems to me that the sanction is fine, each town has the ruler it deserves and I live in argentina
 
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