BOTS discovered in 'The Venom' today while the tournament is in the money!

[Poker Orifice]

MTT_Data_Review (recently joined Cardschat) helped to discover some BOTS playing on ACR today including 2 players who were in The Venom with large stacks (2nd place & another big stack). PADS states "a bot account flagged by MTT_Data_Review a while ago". ACR has forced the accounts to 'sit out'.
If you go check the tournament now you'll still see one of them is SITTING OUT 'MReGoR' [Russia]

Also, there is now a number of other accounts sitting out on other tournaments on ACR, from micro stakes up to the $109's. It looks like there's a big sweep happening there today.

Venom: Moneymaker bags top 10 stack, ACR suspends suspected bot in second

ACR Poker's $12.5M Venom tournament made the headlines when a player was suspended with the second-biggest stack

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[Poker Orifice]

You can find out more about this by following PADS on Twitter ('X') aka Patrick Leonard.

 

[puzzlefish]

So, MTT_Data_Review is a 3rd party bot hunter and ACR security is getting the praise here? I mean, good on them for making a move but they weren't the ones that found the bots, were they?

 

[Poker Orifice]

more today

 

[xOneCoolHandx]

MTT_Data_Review (recently joined Cardschat) helped to discover some BOTS playing on ACR today including 2 players who were in The Venom with large stacks (2nd place & another big stack). PADS states "a bot account flagged by MTT_Data_Review a while ago". ACR has forced the accounts to 'sit out'.
If you go check the tournament now you'll still see one of them is SITTING OUT 'MReGoR' [Russia]

Also, there is now a number of other accounts sitting out on other tournaments on ACR, from micro stakes up to the $109's. It looks like there's a big sweep happening there today.

I am literally SHOCKED (NOT)

 

[fundiver199]

According to sharkscope "MReGoR" is mainly a Spin n Go player with limited results before entering the Venom, where they cashed. I cant help to wonder, what kind of evidence there is for this being a "bot account"? Also I have never heard of security investigations being done in the middle of a game. The more common thing would be to investigate afterwards and then disqualify someone, who was found to be cheating.

 

[Gallarado777]

Yes, now there are a lot of bots in general on all poker sites whose stacks are crazy. I don't even have the same stack as these players who go constantly filling up the stack and it's impossible to make every hand I win and my stack is not as monster as they have a strange one

 

[Luvepoker]

I've been thinking about this for a little while now and I'm really not sure what I would wanna say as I really don't know the person who's reporting this but I think we should really take a wait and see approach on this. If this turns out to be accurate it's great to know that ACR is doing so much to make sure it doesn't happen the problem is I just questioned this whole thing. I just believe it would be a mistake to take too much stock in this until a CR says something that's more official. At least that's my $0.02 worth of it.

 

[RhinoRyan89]

It's a shame poker is being shown in a negative light with all these bot controversy recently.

But its good there trying to combat it.

 

[Poker Orifice]

I've been thinking about this for a little while now and I'm really not sure what I would wanna say as I really don't know the person who's reporting this but I think we should really take a wait and see approach on this. If this turns out to be accurate it's great to know that ACR is doing so much to make sure it doesn't happen the problem is I just questioned this whole thing. I just believe it would be a mistake to take too much stock in this until a CR says something that's more official. At least that's my $0.02 worth of it.

THere's nothing to wait & see to be honest. I mean it was happening in real time while thousands of viewers (Twitch/Youtube) were railing the Venom as it was being broadcast. Also, the guy who helped to expose the bots in the Venom is on Cardschat.

Apparently some of the accounts were under investigation up to 1 month ago. Action wasn't taken against them until they were ITM in the Venom. (better late than never for sure).

Patrick Leonard is one of the most well known High stakes MTT players online and also runs one of the biggest stables in the world.

 

[fundiver199]

I mean it was happening in real time while thousands of viewers (Twitch/Youtube) were railing the Venom as it was being broadcast.

What exactly happened? That some players were being forced to sit out? This does not prove, they did anything wrong. So it might be a story about ACR randomly forcing people to sit out in a high stakes MTT due to false accusations made by other players, who maybe just wanted the money for themselfes? Without far more information we dont know.

Also, the guy who helped to expose the bots in the Venom is on Cardschat.

And then? Anyone can open an account here.

Apparently some of the accounts were under investigation up to 1 month ago. Action wasn't taken against them until they were ITM in the Venom. (better late than never for sure).

No not really. Either action should have been taken earlier, or it should have waited until after the game.

Patrick Leonard is one of the most well known High stakes MTT players online and also runs one of the biggest stables in the world.

Which gives him a clear incentive to get rid of (russian) competition by making false accusations against them. Its like pointing out Elon Musk as a reliable source, when it comes to problems with chinese EVs

 

[Poker Orifice]

According to Sharkscope "MReGoR" is mainly a Spin n Go player with limited results before entering the Venom, where they cashed.

He (it) had been playing the 200nl BLitz tables

 

[fundiver199]

He (it) had been playing the 200nl BLitz tables

Ok. Which still proves absolutely nothing.

 

[Poker Orifice]

What exactly happened? That some players were being forced to sit out? This does not prove, they did anything wrong. So it might be a story about ACR randomly forcing people to sit out in a high stakes MTT due to false accusations made by other players, who maybe just wanted the money for themselfes? Without far more information we dont know.

And then? Anyone can open an account here.

No not really. Either action should have been taken earlier, or it should have waited until after the game.

Which gives him a clear incentive to get rid of (russian) competition by making false accusations against them. Its like pointing out Elon Musk as a reliable source, when it comes to problems with chinese EVs

Research it for yourself then.
I've already heard loads from many guys.
No kidding anyone can make an account here. What I was pointing out was, 'you can dm the guy yourself as he has an account here on CC' MTT Data Base Review. (he's well known amongst the online MTT poker community).
Pads is a highly respectable member of the poker community. He's not some schmuck who's going to reach at straws to get players bumped off a site. Do you know who he is?

 

[Poker Orifice]

Ok. Which still proves absolutely nothing.

Well it proves something when you know others who play those tables AND who have seen large numbers of BOTS exposed from those tables.

 

[fundiver199]

Pads is a highly respectable member of the poker community. He's not some schmuck who's going to reach at straws to get players bumped off a site. Do you know who he is?

No and I dont really care either. I am just pointing out, there is an obvious selfish interest for any american pro to get rid of foreign competition on ACR, since they cant really play anywhere else. Do I know, if the accusations are false or not? No. But neither frankly do you.

 

[Poker Orifice]

No not really. Either action should have been taken earlier, or it should have waited until after the game.

OBVIOUSLY action should've been taken 30days ago. Why should it wait until after the game? Instead of taking action when they have definite proof and choose to act then??? Would it be better for the BOT accounts to continue taking chips (or stacks) from other players in the tournament?

I mean obviously ACR needs to compensate players who were busted earlier in the tourney by the BOTS (will they? who knows??). At least they stopped them when they did. (there's zero benefit to waiting til' after the tournament imo... it just fcks over more players)

 

[fundiver199]

Well it proves something when you know others who play those tables AND who have seen large numbers of BOTS exposed from those tables.

But again: How exactly were those bots "exposed"? Without detailed information about this, we have no actual knowledge. It might as well have been players randomly banned due to false accusations from sour competitors.

 

[Poker Orifice]

No and I dont really care either. I am just pointing out, there is an obvious selfish interest for any american pro to get rid of foreign competition on ACR, since they cant really play anywhere else. Do I know, if the accusations are false or not? No. But neither frankly do you.

He's not American... but okay.
You don't even know who he is and yet you're sure of his obvious selfish interest and of course that he's american and to get rid of competition.
I doubt he even plays on that site.
They weren't random accusations. But whatever... wait til' you read it on pokernews.. or cardplayer so that it becomes realzz

 

[Poker Orifice]

But again: How exactly were those bots "exposed"? Without detailed information about this, we have no actual knowledge. It might as well have been players randomly banned due to false accusations from sour competitors.

LOL
Are you sure you're not puzzlefish multiaccounting?

Do you only get your info. from here?

 

[Poker Orifice]

I'll do you a favour. I won't report any poker news I hear of any longer.

 

[fundiver199]

He's not American... but okay.

Ok so he is british. But what difference does that make, if he is running a stable for people playing on ACR? He still have the same personal interest of getting rid of competitors, so he is not a neutral source. And neither is this "MTT_Data_Review" guy, whoever he is, since he apparently also makes a living from poker in one way or another.

 

[fundiver199]

I'll do you a favour. I won't report any poker news I hear of any longer.

To be honest, this is not really "news", or the actual news might be something completely different like "ACR randomly force players to sit out during their main tournament due to false accusations made by competitors". Regardless I think, its fair to say, that this story show, that ACR is not a place, where anyone should play for serious money. Its just not safe enough, since either you get cheated by other players, or you randomly have your winnings stolen by the site. Both of which is not acceptable.

 

[Dmitriy_rus7]

I wonder what ACR will answer about this

 

[fundiver199]

Below is the supposed evidence of this "bot farm" on ACR Poker. To sum it up he has pooled a lot of (likely russian) players together and identified deviations from GTO strategy. Which, if I sum it up, is basically traditional TAG or LAG strategy. Betting until you face resistance but overfolding to aggression. Which are good adjustments against a player pool, that call to much and dont bluff enough (AKA typical recreational player). So sure it could make sense to program bots to play like this, but its also, how many winning regulars play.

So once again: Where is the evidence, that this is not just some sort of crusade against winning russian players from sour competitors? Moreover how was this data compiled? Most likely by combining databases, which is against the TOS of all sites and something, GG Poker has complained about stables doing. So basically one group of cheaters got another group of possible cheaters banned?