Making strong hands after you folded?

[Falzee]

So you're in a hand where you're not sure whether to bet or fold. So you bet, and the flop shows nothing comes up to help you.

In the same instance, you decide to fold. Once you fold, the flop come up all in your favor, kicking yourself for not betting.

My question is that do you believe the outcome of the flop would come out the same, or is is set to come out differently based upon your choice of bet or fold?

 

[rsparente]

I've heard from poker pros, your actions should be evaluated by your decision taking street into context, in other words, was it the best decision based on what you knew at the time you took it? If so, nevermind the result after you folded.
I know it is a usual trap to overthink decisions after seeing all the streets, but...just let it go, if folded, don't even look at the final result.

 

[Dzill_230]

I didn't quite understand the question. Perhaps it meant my decision before I saw the flop? Maybe this is a translation inaccuracy. I've been in situations where I made a decision to fold my pocket cards, but then regretted it when I saw the flop. I think it's unrelated to the fact that sometimes you see the flop after folding a hand – it's purely random, just like seeing the cards you need on later streets after folding. Your decision is based on experience, position, and opening range – everything else, in my opinion, is a matter of luck.

 

[Cooking]

Of course the outcome would be the same. The important thing is if you made the right decision when you fold. If yes, it does not matter the end result of the hand.

 

[Macaroon]

I, also, am not sure of the question. Is the OP suggesting that perhaps the turn card would be different if you had not folded?

 

[Gallarado777]

No, you need to act exactly as you want, even if you are betting for your own other reasons and your card does not work out, then don't be sad. And if you don't bet and you discard the card and then your cards are out, then there's no need to be mad at all. The point is that you don't need to make a decision after seeing the result, whatever it is

 

[pjokay]

Whether you bet, call or fold does not impact the next card. Of course sometimes you will hit and sometimes you will not but you should base your decision on odds unless trying to steal the pot.

 

[PsychoVas]

Once you throw them away, it doesn't concern you anymore. Don't pay any attention to the board. It has nothing to do with you anymore.
We cannot control the cards, all we can control is our decisions.
p.e. Let's say that you hold suited connectors, up until the turn 3 suited cards appear and you feel that your opponent has a flush too, probably higher than yours. There is just one card that will give you the nuts, a straight flush. The opponent bets huge. What will you do? I would fold. A third opponent has a boat and he calls anyway. Your magical card appears on the river against all odds. Will you be devastated? You made the right decision on the turn, because your odds were minimum. Would you rather have called? One in some 30ish odds?

 

[puzzlefish]

You will never know. Some sites use one virtual deck or cards and shuffle it once. Others constantly shuffle.

 

[machinm19]

That's the beauty of it in my eyes. I believe that once you fold the outcome is changed as the variables have become different. Calling would probably not lead to the runner runner backdoor straight we always seem to magically hit after folding.

 

[MK_]

Honestly poker is a game of incomplete information,
the only question is did you make the right decision at the time...
coulda, woulda, shoulda is a waste of time😎

 

[pentazepam]

or is is set to come out differently based upon your choice of bet or fold?

If you belive this: stop playing online.

 

[johnwat2]

Yes, sometimes your hand would have hit if you had stayed, but i'll bet that most times
your hand will not hit and you will feel good about folding.

 

[dreamer13]

Sometimes it is worth refusing a continuation bet. After all, if your opponent calls, you will have to check the turn and surrender to the bet, losing the chips that you invested in the continuation bet.You don't want to find yourself in a situation where you went all-in with one pair, saw your opponent's straight at the showdown, and realized that you were already out. Even if you are ahead on the flop, the balance of power can change dramatically by the river.You must learn to quickly recognize how coordinated the flop is, how many possible draws there are, and base your decisions on this.

 

[Misanthrop]

You should always raise / call 72 off suit there is a chance that u flop trips, two pair, a full house or quads

There might be some irony in my posting

 

[SpanRmonka]

No i think this is total nonsense.

There are loads of times where I choose to check the flop, then I hit my A on turn, amd loss of times where I check amd I still miss. The same thing happens if I c bet and get called…..I can either hit my A or not!

The cards come out or they don’t!

If you are suggesting that the cards change based on your actions, they also change based on everyone’s actions…..how on earth would that work.

2 players limp, 1 raises and the other 2 call, or what if no one raised and all 3 limp, or what if one raised and only 1 call, or one raise and a limp shove…..how would all those different scenarios be accounted for in terms of ‘changing the cards’ the whole idea is ridiculous!

 

[Bummy]

There were many times when I had the opportunity to get a good hand, but for that I had to give away a significant amount of chips, playing already in the late stages of the tournament, so I looked at the situation ... am I willing to take a risk, what are my chances, how were these people playing to how often such bets/actions were made.

 

[Falzee]

You will never know. Some sites use one virtual deck or cards and shuffle it once. Others constantly shuffle.

Thank You for understanding the question. My post was not intended to have anything to do with hand strategy.

 

[Recreationalplayer]

I do analyze my actions after folding in multi way pots. The dynamics are a bit different multi way.

But it's not for regretting my action if the draw gets there.

 

[puzzlefish]

Thank You for understanding the question. My post was not intended to have anything to do with hand strategy.

For what it's worth, from my own observations, it seems that the board is already decided before the players start betting. No proof to offer, but that's the impression that I get.

 

[odonob]

Nope, it wouldn’t have been any different. This happens all the time, part of the game. You have to leg that go and not dwell on it.

 

[bababooey]

It should be all in relation to what your opponents range is and the equity of your hand against their's.

This could be pre flop, on the flop, turn or river.

I can't count the amount of times I have folded a pair pre flop and then would have hit a set and won the hand but in most cases it is the correct fold as would have been up against an overpair.

 

[Youvraj365]

This happens to me too, sometimes i bet to see just the river but the outcome turns not to be in my favour.

And sometimes when the flop i not in my favour and i fold because some did bet before me i feel disappointed by seeing the final result.

But that the true essence of poker.

 

[fundiver199]

My question is that do you believe the outcome of the flop would come out the same, or is is set to come out differently based upon your choice of bet or fold?

Is this some sort of superstition or a complicated way of asking, if online poker is rigged? If you are serious about poker, I recommend to put superstition aside and to not engage in rabbit hunting. Its better to spend your energy paying attention to, what other players do, especially if the hand goes to showdown. That can give you valuable information for future hands, whereas the runout of the board cannot.

 

[Falzee]

Is this some sort of superstition or a complicated way of asking, if online poker is rigged? If you are serious about poker, I recommend to put superstition aside and to not engage in rabbit hunting. Its better to spend your energy paying attention to, what other players do, especially if the hand goes to showdown. That can give you valuable information for future hands, whereas the runout of the board cannot.

Was a simple question as to what others think about the scenario, and if you believe that the outcome would be different or the same. Not if it's rigged, but whether the algorithms would change. Nothing else. No superstition, no 'rabbit hunting'. Just a simple question. Not looking for any particular strategy or advice.