Do you think what you win or lose is based off how much you deposit?

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I thin nowdays every poker /casino platform is manipulated by a system.. Your winnings depend on the amount of deposit and withdrawal... A very smal percent of new players can hit a tournament or something bigger.. But if you play constantly and don t deposit a lot the system won t let you win no mather how good u are..
Opinions? (especially from players who play for years online.. Thank you
 
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yes i have very "interesting" stats.... but what can you do? luck, chance, probability are explained

Have a nice day bro...🙋🏼‍♂️🤣
 
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I hope this is not a case. It depends on the poker room as well. I don't think biggest rooms will do this. Well, i hope.

We have plenty of guys who play for years and believe in that theory, on the other hand we have guys who build 100 000$ bankroll with 10$ deposit...
 
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The casino receives a percentage for entertaining people. Each slot has a return percentage ( RTP); you can calculate the minus of each roulette turn yourself. In the long run, the casino wins. This is mathematics.
 
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Well, it's happened before. Many times.

I only play on Stars. Small withdrawals I've made always come in. I used to play on Party but even that site gives me weird vibes.

I'll stick to Stars and hope they aren't sticking it to me.
 
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I thin nowdays every poker /casino platform is manipulated by a system.. Your winnings depend on the amount of deposit and withdrawal... A very smal percent of new players can hit a tournament or something bigger.. But if you play constantly and don t deposit a lot the system won t let you win no mather how good u are..
Opinions? (especially from players who play for years online.. Thank you
I have been playing poker for over three years and I totally disagree with your statement. I only make a deposit to have a withdrawal method available. On average, I withdraw 100-300 dollars once every three months. I agree, it is not much, but if I make a deposit, it is no more than 10 dollars. So, I invest $10 once a year and withdraw at least $400.
 
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I thin nowdays every poker /casino platform is manipulated by a system.. Your winnings depend on the amount of deposit and withdrawal... A very smal percent of new players can hit a tournament or something bigger.. But if you play constantly and don t deposit a lot the system won t let you win no mather how good u are..
Opinions? (especially from players who play for years online.. Thank you
I would say that you are completely wrong, this talk of rigged online poker, I've been hearing for a long time, and no one can prove anything, so much so that the majority of users continue playing.

Another thing you mentioned about people who don't deposit not being able to win, I don't agree, I've only played freerolls for years, I've only made one deposit to date, and it was the minimum amount required by the room, to be able to withdraw.

My winnings are not astronomical, but enough to withdraw every year in any room, and I have never been blocked for not making deposits. I just don't win anymore because I only play freerolls and the game volume is low, but I don't feel like the room stops me. of winning due to lack of deposit.
 
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People are so mathematical about this stuff. I think it would be picked up on. Plus the rake is guaranteed money. I could see cheating in a less-established App. But why give up the ability to print money!
 
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I don't think the poker sites do this - they get the percent anyway so it's not important for them who did the deposit
 
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I think this is very unlikely given that poker rooms have to undergo a fair play check every 6 months or even less, this means that poker rooms that comply with fair play continue to operate, the algorithm they use to Dealing cards from the deck is totally random.
 
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I thin nowdays every poker /casino platform is manipulated by a system.. Your winnings depend on the amount of deposit and withdrawal... A very smal percent of new players can hit a tournament or something bigger.. But if you play constantly and don t deposit a lot the system won t let you win no mather how good u are..
Opinions? (especially from players who play for years online.. Thank you
And do you think this would attract customers?

Do you think the top poker minds of the entire WORLD would be drawn to playing on a site like what you are describing.

I can guarantee that you are nowhere near as good of a player as you think you are.

I've played online poker for 15years. I would bet that I have put in more time studying than you have playing (maybe even 10x as many total hours). I've played over 5,000,000 hands of cash games online, thousands of tournaments and if someone asked me if I was 'good', I'd have to respond with just 'fair' because it is honest.
There are many players online who put in just a ton of effort in their game.
 
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It's very difficult to know, personally I think that the algorithm will eventually benefit the oldest players in the room, I think the system is built that way. However, in general, the 2 gaming rooms seem safe and reliable to me.
 
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TBH all these gambling sites are businesses to make money and we all there to get a piece of the pie, they control everything fair or not
 
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Sometimes I was losing at the poker table. that thought came to my mind:)
 
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Yes and no, i think its only programm that use calculated system and base intrument.
 
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i'm not gonna lie... this thought already came in my mind too :x
 
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It's interesting how many People believe in it. In genral poker sites earn money from every game we play so there is no need to manipulate the results. Especially as in many countries poker is strictly refulated so if they did they would be banned.
 
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I believed in this myself, that the Poker Sites will let you win the odd Freeroll now and again so that you become more confident that Poker is an Easy way to make money, and then you are tempted to deposit cash and start losing it all, not that I believe that the Site is crooked or Fixed in any way, but Your own approach to the game changes, I addressed this in another Posting only today, It is the Fear of losing money that inhibits how you play.
Playing Freerolls cost's you nothing, so you have nothing to be afraid of, BUT! Once you make a deposit and start using your own hard earned cash a switch inside your head turns on and you start trying to protect your money, Playing with Scared Money, Money you cannot afford to lose is not the best approach to playing Poker,
How do You Stop feeling like that is Simple, Never make a deposit, Win your Bankroll from Freerolls and then use that Money to build it even Higher.
Believe me it is hard work, but worth it for the peace of mind you are not going to lose your own cash. If it was Easy money playing Poker to make Money, Everybody would be doing it.
 
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no it depends how much u play and put effort into playing
 
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I can only speak for pokerstars the most trusted site to play on the internet. In my 20 years experience as a winning player the facts show NOPE I don't and can't agree. I haven't made a deposit 15 years now on my main site Pokerstars. Plenty of withdraws.

Cheers!!!
 
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Often I think that providers might hide their doings within the shades of variance. It's easy because it never can be proven rigged. You can lose 5 times aces in a row.. 10 times... 15 times... ... 500 times... no matter how often it happens it simply can never be proven as a rigged system because that's the way stochastics work. In such a system it would be easy to place certain deviatians from the standard variance/odds/probabilities in order to make the better players lose here and there a bit more and the worse players win here and there a bit more. I don't mean the aces example, or all ins where the numbers are on the table and where everyone can see those deviations in his EV graph. I mean more subtile situations where you get setupped a bit more or you lose to unlikely holdings a bit more etc. It would be hard to proof that your opponents simply hit 10% better than they should and you hit 10% worse than you should.
You would need A LOT of samplesize and put a lot of work in data evaluationto show that you are permanently having a "handicap" for example 2pair vs. 2pair more often against you than for you etc..

For a system that does this +- handicap shit I could imagine it works like this:

First of all there would be algorithms and statistics be hold to cathegorize the players playestiles/skilllevels and their deposit/withdrawal tendencies.

Then there would be evaluations who has to win more/less to keep the system running optimal - get the most rake possible.

Then there would be actions taken to stabelize the system and max. Rake. Obviously within a level of certainty that noone can easily proof the rigging. Some players win +1% +2%... +20%.. I mean noone ever proofs a system wrong if he's winning right? So lets go +30%. Some players get handicapped especially if they don't care and deposit again and again. Milk those cows honey! Those guys that rarely or never deposit will get slightly winning or break even players for example. Everyone gets as much that he doesn't run away or hurt the system too much. Unless he/she is advertising the system in a profitable way... And so on...

There is simply no way to proof it right or wrong unless you have insight in the sourcecode. And for many good reasons providers aren't that splashy with their data.

Ps: An easy example at the end. Every year I change contracts of mobile provider, internet provider, insurances, gas provider, electricity provider etc. Why? To save thousands in cash. Running away and making new contracts is the only way to NOT get milked in these days. It used to be different but it's not anymore. Very few companies offer serious stuff with substance to loyal customers. If you stay you get milked in some way and that's a FACT. (Even if you profit in some way, you would profit more somewhere else.)
So the only thing you could do in such a system is run to another system until you get milked and run away again.. Rinse and repeat.

My 2 cents. De rien.
 
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i disagree, i have not deposited a dime, and still i win, have withdrawn many times.
 
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seems like conspiracy theory, but you can answer this question just open casino by yourself, and make your design. Don't forget give us a answer then.
 
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