
GreenDaddy1
Rock Star
Silver Level
In short, I'm looking for actionable tips for making better decisions post flop in the heat of battle, ie putting what you have learnt into action rather than struggling to do so when it matters but seeing your errors clearly when off the table.
At length..... Anyone who has played and studied poker for a reasonable amount of time will know that, in comparison, learning/mastering a decent pre flop strategy that you can easily recall with a fair amount of accuracy every time you sit down to play is a great deal easier than learning/mastering a decent post flop strategy you can easily replicate every time you play.
The reason for this comes down to the amount of different scenarios you will face. There are relatively few pre flop spots to learn and it is easy to make very black and white decisions based mostly on basic hand strengths, position and your impressions (or hud stats) of opponents. On the other hand there are a great many post flop spots to learn, spread across three different streets with an additional 5 cards to consider in addition to your 2 pre flop cards.
I’ve reached a point in my game where I am very comfortable pre flop playing my main game at 100BB, which is microstakes cash. Not silly enough to say perfect, but good enough that I have formed a solid basis of confident play pre flop that is rarely too far out of line without a good reason to be.
I’m a winning player. But I am not a big winning player, because post flop I am erratic and inconsistent. I know a lot of theory and correct lines. I am not good at putting them into action. Some days I criminally miss value. The next day I am way too aggressive. Other days I call down hopelessly light and passively paying people off. Or I bet when check/call lines are more profitable. I know this because when I study hands off the table with more time to consider and think about things I can see the very obvious mistakes I make (and folks on the cash hands analysis forum are kind enough to point out these and more besides!).
I’m really keen to insert some of the consistency, confidence and self belief I have pre flop into my post flop game. I’m very interested in how others have done this once they reached a similar stage.
I've tried using a similar approach to how I learnt pre flop. At pre flop it was having various ranges and a few tips on adjustments visible to refer to as I played. It worked well and gave me a lot of confidence I was staying in line. For post flop I've tried various ways of doing this broken down into hand strengths, streets, board textures, in position, out of position, remembering to consider ranges etc. All that good stuff we need to know about and put to use. The result? Too much info to digest every time I hit post flop. It just doesn't work and I end up ignoring it and playing by my gut feel based on what I can recall about all the above.
Basically, there are too many spots post flop and too much complexity to create a handy reference sheet you can just refer to every time you get post flop. So, how do we trigger ourselves to recall that info when we need it?
At this stage I want to work on a script or set of questions I pose to myself every time I am post flop and see if that works at improving my decision making. This is nothing revolutionary and I've seen similar things on videos or in books. These would be based around ranges, better hands fold, worse hands call etc.
What methods have others used to get better at putting what they have studied to use while at the table while multi-tabling? Do you find that using more of a questioning method with yourself helps you to identify the correct play in many different spots? And in that way rather than learning 'spots', you are learning exactly why you are either checking, calling, betting or folding at any time?
At length..... Anyone who has played and studied poker for a reasonable amount of time will know that, in comparison, learning/mastering a decent pre flop strategy that you can easily recall with a fair amount of accuracy every time you sit down to play is a great deal easier than learning/mastering a decent post flop strategy you can easily replicate every time you play.
The reason for this comes down to the amount of different scenarios you will face. There are relatively few pre flop spots to learn and it is easy to make very black and white decisions based mostly on basic hand strengths, position and your impressions (or hud stats) of opponents. On the other hand there are a great many post flop spots to learn, spread across three different streets with an additional 5 cards to consider in addition to your 2 pre flop cards.
I’ve reached a point in my game where I am very comfortable pre flop playing my main game at 100BB, which is microstakes cash. Not silly enough to say perfect, but good enough that I have formed a solid basis of confident play pre flop that is rarely too far out of line without a good reason to be.
I’m a winning player. But I am not a big winning player, because post flop I am erratic and inconsistent. I know a lot of theory and correct lines. I am not good at putting them into action. Some days I criminally miss value. The next day I am way too aggressive. Other days I call down hopelessly light and passively paying people off. Or I bet when check/call lines are more profitable. I know this because when I study hands off the table with more time to consider and think about things I can see the very obvious mistakes I make (and folks on the cash hands analysis forum are kind enough to point out these and more besides!).
I’m really keen to insert some of the consistency, confidence and self belief I have pre flop into my post flop game. I’m very interested in how others have done this once they reached a similar stage.
I've tried using a similar approach to how I learnt pre flop. At pre flop it was having various ranges and a few tips on adjustments visible to refer to as I played. It worked well and gave me a lot of confidence I was staying in line. For post flop I've tried various ways of doing this broken down into hand strengths, streets, board textures, in position, out of position, remembering to consider ranges etc. All that good stuff we need to know about and put to use. The result? Too much info to digest every time I hit post flop. It just doesn't work and I end up ignoring it and playing by my gut feel based on what I can recall about all the above.
Basically, there are too many spots post flop and too much complexity to create a handy reference sheet you can just refer to every time you get post flop. So, how do we trigger ourselves to recall that info when we need it?
At this stage I want to work on a script or set of questions I pose to myself every time I am post flop and see if that works at improving my decision making. This is nothing revolutionary and I've seen similar things on videos or in books. These would be based around ranges, better hands fold, worse hands call etc.
What methods have others used to get better at putting what they have studied to use while at the table while multi-tabling? Do you find that using more of a questioning method with yourself helps you to identify the correct play in many different spots? And in that way rather than learning 'spots', you are learning exactly why you are either checking, calling, betting or folding at any time?