Poker coaching a money making scam?

[Ronaldadio]

Might just be me, but sometimes I sit and read articles on strategy, look at hand analysis, etc, etc

I'll try someones strategy, I'll change the way I play, etc, etc

To me, you can either play poker or u can't. The only way to understand poker is to play...end of.

It seems to me that when people talk about poker there is so many contradictions it is untrue.

In my opinion, learn how to play poker, understand the maths of it all, play the way you feel you should play...there is no one secret to playing poker.

I was speaking recently online to a famous poker player (I won't say who, but anyway) He said that the only real way to make it in poker is by a big hit in a MTT.
He also said that people forget that even maths in poker will not work in a normals persons lifetime - too many "Ifs and buts"
Example he gave me, but this might not be exact.
"The numbers do stack up. However, it is WHEN they stack up. That is the main LUCK of poker. For example, say that you are heads up and all in with another player and you both have a 50/50 chance. If the 50/ 50 you win happens to be in a home game for a pot of $5 and his 50/ 50 win is on the bubble in the wsop, that is luck"
I must admit, I'm with him on this one - this is how luck plays a big part in poker.

So, in summary, I would never pay to be coached to play poker. Play your own game, learn your own "strategy" and have fun

 

[steveiam]

Luck plays a big factor in this game and if all things are equal and everybody is playing to the maths then the luck factor will decide.There has been 9 EPT seasons, which is over 70 main events and nobody has won 2 yet..

 

[RamdeeBen]

This poker "pro" who is famous stating the things you just said seem surreal and binking a big MTT is the only way this pro thinks you can make it?

I'm not being funny, but there are a hundreds of thousades of players who have "made" it in poker just grinding cash games and I'd bet every famous pro in the world wouldn't think that a MTT is the only way to make so not sure who he is. Take some of the high stake players who started small and have never touched MTT's in their life. Most of these guys if not all, including Ivey..didn't just bink mtt's anf starting playing nose bleeds - they literally grinded their arses off in live games for years and moved over to online.

This guy you spoke to who is famous, really either seems to be just pulling your leg or is non existent/not really him.

No harm in sharing who he is btw lol

 

[Debi]

I can understand why he would not want to be quoted on that lol.

 

[Makwa]

No matter how you figure the luck factor in poker (and your analysis makes little sense to me), the skill component can always be improved through analysis, discussion, etc... and coaching gives you new ways of looking at your game, which is good... yes it costs money... you get to decide what it is worth to you and your game...

 

[acky100]

I think a lot of coaches probably coach cause they cant keep up with crushing their old stakes back in like 2008 when every monkey could crush 600nl for 3bb/100.

If you think you can either play poker or you can't then you definitely don't know much about poker, no offence, poker is very complex and not just about playing.

I've had nothing but a great experience with coaching and think if you can get hold of a reasonable priced coach the investment can be far worth it, even if it costs $50+ an hour and you increase your winrate by 1bb/100 after a few sessions, that 1bb/100 is never going away and will pay for itself over and over in the future.

Just be cautious before choosing a coach and don't buy sessions in bulk until you are happy with what you are getting.

p.s.

if any microstakes guys want some reasonably priced coaching pm me. he he

 

[Poker Orifice]

I can understand why he would not want to be quoted on that lol.

HA HA HA!!! Love this ^

 

[nkrijeka]

I've been watching some of the videos on deuces cracked and think they've improved my game. when you are starting out, as i am, they've definitely helped me get better a figuring ranges out. i've even had quite a few successful three-bets in the last few days, which i was too afraid of to go for before (unless I had a monster, of course)

 

[jesseg]

Your view towards poker is that of a fixed amount of skill that can't be improved with work, and that's clearly incorrect.

 

[Arjonius]

Of course there's a degree of luck in poker, but overall, players who are better than their opponents win, and those who are worse lose. Luck / variance can and does produce exceptions, but they're basically short-term blips.

 

[elstano5]

I think a lot of coaches probably coach cause they cant keep up with crushing their old stakes back in like 2008 when every monkey could crush 600nl for 3bb/100.

If you think you can either play poker or you can't then you definitely don't know much about poker, no offence, poker is very complex and not just about playing.

I've had nothing but a great experience with coaching and think if you can get hold of a reasonable priced coach the investment can be far worth it, even if it costs $50+ an hour and you increase your winrate by 1bb/100 after a few sessions, that 1bb/100 is never going away and will pay for itself over and over in the future.

Just be cautious before choosing a coach and don't buy sessions in bulk until you are happy with what you are getting.

p.s.

if any microstakes guys want some reasonably priced coaching pm me. he he

Do you still offer this?

 

[BearPlay]

if any microstakes guys want some reasonably priced coaching pm me. he he

Hehe, there's your new sig!

 

[Leprekahn]

I don't think anyone in this world is qualified to say one cant get better at poker through study, review, and experience.

If someone who is a proven winner at the game, reviews a big hand history sample size that you provide him and he gives informative feedback to you, well then I don't see how that cant help your game.

Luck? Why even bother talking about luck? Let the fish talk about luck.

 

[PoKeRFoRNiA]

In theory, anyone can become successful without a single help from tutors or coaches. Tutors or coaches accelerate your learning and improving rate. But of course, you need to research who is legit and can truly help you reach your goals and succeed.

Being a math tutor myself, I've helped countless number of kids succeed in mathematics, something they hated and feared.

In theory, you don't need poker coach to become successful. However, if you realize that having a tutor will accelerate your skills and learning experience, opposed to learning it on your own, then it is worth it. Anyone who is serious about devoting their life to poker but don't have much success, good poker coaches and tutors can help you.

Poker coaches may not give the perfect answer or approach to every situation and hands but they can share their approach on how they deal with poker, how they're able to win consistently, what some of your leaks are that are universal, etc. If I was serious and wanted to make poker my potential career, then I would hire one for myself once I grind myself out of microstakes while having enough money and bankroll to hire a coach and have solid bankroll management. I was on that path until Black Friday screwed me over.

 

[Arjonius]

It's ridiculous to say that coaching isn't viable for anyone. Not for some people, fine. Maybe even a lot. But it's impossible to deny that there are players who have benefited greatly from coaching.

 

[Gorak]

online poker schools are one of the reason there is less and less big fishes in poker today.

After watching just a couple of videos and having some practice, one can reach 70% of its potential really fast. But the remaining 30% is very hard work.

Given that poker has become less profitable compared to the past, I feel getting that last 30% of your potential is not worth all the hard work (and money) needed for it.

Variance plays a big role in poker too.

Run good: You will think your the king of poker
Run bad: You will think it is rigged

 

[Poker Orifice]

Online poker schools are one of the reason there is less and less big fishes in poker today.

After watching just a couple of videos and having some practice, one can reach 70% of its potential really fast. But the remaining 30% is very hard work.
I'm not sure how you arrive at this estimate?

Given that poker has become less profitable compared to the past, I feel getting that last 30% of your potential is not worth all the hard work (and money) needed for it.

It doesn't necessarily require any 'money' but it definitely requires time.
For some, the 'hard work' is actually a passion.

 

[tazer]

I think a coach in poker serves the same purpose as a coach in any sort of sport activity.

You can sit and grind it out day after day improving your skill set, this is a very long and difficult process but at the end of it all you will come out better overall for it.

I see a coach as the same thing, but in those times of grinding it out trying to figure it out for yourself they give you a sense of direction and something to work on that would best improve your game.

Think of it as having a personal trainer. Sure you can go to the gym day after day and work out and it would do something for you, but if you had a trainer to direct you in your workouts and watching you and trying to get you to maximize your movements to get the best out of the workout for your own benefit.

Basically I see coaching as a big jump forward bypassing a huge process. There does come a point when it's about you though. A coach can only take you so far.

 

[PokerNana]

this is going to be an interesting journey. i have been playing for several decades and am hard pressed to think of 100 players that are making money, and here you say hundreds of thousands!! interesting. i was lucky to have married a rounder who gave me the tools to work with so i am one who would say that a coach could be useful if it were the right one.

 

[punctual]

You say you would never pay to be coached in poker but you are willing to take advice from a poker player? Why? Why participate in a poker forum? Why read books? Why engage in any kind of development of your poker game at all?

I think paying for a coach is like paying a professor to be your PhD advisor. The one coaching you has experience and knowledge you don't have and can guide you in a direction that will flavor your entire poker career.

So I beleive in poker coaching by professionals......its like having a PhD advisor who can help you achieve your full potential in poker

 

[BlakeBrown]

If you are a losing player be more observant and consider the money lost paying for lessons